--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" <steve.sundur@...> wrote: > > > Hi Share, > > We really only splurged one night. Wife had some kind of fancy chicken > breast, son had a grilled flat iron steak, daughter had seafood pasta, > and I had a caesar salad and grilled artichoke. Caesar salad was > magnificent with the sliced anchovies. The taste I had of everyone > elses dish was very good. > > We had Mexican one night, bbq tonight, and the rest of the time was > eating at the condo or pizza type dinners. > > Activities were fun, but we didn't get to do the camping overnight. The > conditioning wasn't really there for an 8-1/2 mile hike, and it turned > out that I had to stay close to e-mail for much of each morning. > > But we did take a nice bike ride, (mostly all downhill) from Snowmass to > Aspen, and then another day from Snowmass to Aspen via the Rio Grande > Trail. About halfway through the Rio Grande Trail, tired and parched, > we stopped at a path side water fall where we removed our shoes and > waded in the the little spash pond and refreshed ourselves. > > Then yesterday was tubing on the Colorado River. Fun also, but I > couldn't find a good way to stay on the tube and kept falling off. I > lost the tube a one point and had to walk a ways. Little frustrating, > but overall fun. Hi-light there was at the end, near Glenwood Springs, > where Gaia had hot water mineral spring that went right into the river > and they had built a rock pool around it where the rafters and tubers > could stop and enjoy. > > Also, took one long day hike, which was strenuous but fun. It was that > hike that made me realize I couldn't really bite off 8-1/2 miles. (along > with the business stuff) > > Today did some fishing and caught fish after fish at a stocked pond, > but had no luck later at the fast running stream. > > That's it in a nutshell. Have to try to find some presents on the way > home tomorrow for the employees who did a stand up job while I was gone.
What a wonderful part of the world. Two of my closest friends lived in Snowmass and my husband and I were married in their backyard overlooking the valley and the mountains. It was glorious. It is also very high up there and hiking is strenuous at that altitude. We stayed at the Jerome Hotel for our wedding night and had a memorable pre-wedding dinner there the night before the marriage ceremony. I will always think fondly of Snowmass and Aspen. Father Thomas Keating used to live at the Trappist Monastery St Benedicts there in Snowmass and that monastery is extra-ordinary in every way. http://www.stbenedictsretreat.com/ > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Welcome back, Steve and it'll be great to hear about some of your > adventures. I remember that you all went hiking last year. And you > mentioned something about possibly camping. How was the weather? Did you > all get to Aspen at all? Not to mention, how was the FOOD? > > PS If time is limited, please talk about the food first (-: > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@ > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 10:47 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Four for Share > > > > > > > >  > > Hey Share, > > Wonderful point. My God, do these people worship this woman. > Now you've got Raunchy coming to the fore. > > I had a chance to skim over some the posts. > > I especially enjoyed the exchange between Edg and turqb on the cult > article, and the point Xeno made about what must be the emotional make > up of someone who demands an apology from someone, (for a percevied > infraction against someone else -for God's sake!) > > That must have hit the target pretty well, because it elicited a "Fuck > Off" from Judy. We don't see that very often. Still not a > "Fuck Off and Die". That's most been reserved mostly for Curtis > when Judy has exhausted most every other argument she can put forth, and > still fallen way short. > > Seeing alot of the "f" word from Judy lately. Talk about > psychological stress, I guess. > > Anyway, returning tomorrow. Been a fun vacation, but a lot of > staying in touch with work, and handling other issues back > home.  > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > For the record Ravi, Judy's opinions are not facts much less the > truth. Nor are her distortions whether they be deliberate or merely out > of habit due to lack of whole brain development eg mirror neurons. Nor > are her untrained attempts to understand the emotional conditions within > or between others, much less her attempts to write beneficially or even > usefully about them. > > > > > > > > > As for shooting the messenger, this is not that. This is recognizing > that the messenger has distorted messages many times in the past and > thus wisely taking the incompetent messenger's messages with a huge > grain of salt. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 6:18 PM > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Four for Share > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > On 7/12/13 4:08 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > > Dear Share - I think this is a brilliant move. This new strategy is > the right way to avoid Judy's perverse, obsessive, pathological need to > stick to facts, stick to truth. Clearly she lacks emotional > intelligence, or why would she continually insist on presenting the > gory, cruel, torturous facts with links to your posts over and over > again. Why can't she just let you rest in peace, why does she trigger > you and your attachment disorder? > > > > > > > >Your new strategy is sure to perplex and thwart Judy. Yep - > > > where is her moral authority, what are her credentials - is > > > she a fucking therapist, does she like have a Ph. D? Or is she > > > even a pastoral counsellor even? Ha. > > > > > > > So - yes,àto reiterate dear Share, presenting facts is not > good enough unless someone has moral or professional authority. Let her > produce evidence of her training and/or authority. > > > > > > The gall of this vengeful woman that we will just accept the truth > in the absence of any credentials. She must think we are naive and > gullible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This is a sickness dear Share. People like Judy who insist on > > > truth, insist on facts should be fucking institutionalized, > > > they need to be fucking medicated - yeah that's we need and > > > your efforts are very admirable, brave and courageous my dear. > > > > > > > >On 7/12/13 7:29 AM, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > > >à> > > >>Judy, in order of importance: IMO you do not have the moral > authority to comment beneficially on the upsets bt me and Robin; you do > not have the emotional good health to comment beneficially on them; you > do not have the emotional intelligence to comment usefully on them; you > do not have the professional training to comment usefully or > beneficially on them. IMO this is a matter bt me and Robin so lastly, I > don't think it is useful or appropriate for you to comment on these > matters bt him and me. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>________________________________ > > > >> From: authfriend authfriend@ > > > >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > >>Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 9:17 AM > > > >>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Four for Share > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>à> > > >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Judy, my own discernments re the > > > upset bt me and Robin have > > > >>> been validated by objective people > > > like Xeno and Susa > > > >>Not only are they obviously not objective, > > > they weren't > > > >>following what went on. Recently I had to > > > give Susan a > > > >>primer as to the facts. Xeno has > > > acknowledged he didn't > > > >>follow things closely. > > > >> > > > >>> Plus when Robin emailed me a few > > > weeks ago, on June 17, > > > >>> he said nothing specific about our > > > upset. So I don't > > > >>> think it is appropriate for you to > > > comment on these > > > >>> matters. > > > >> > > > >>You don't seem to get it. This has to do > > > with your behavior > > > >>on FFL, in public, which gives me every > > > right to comment. > > > >> > > > >>Whatever he may have said or not said to > > > you in private > > > >>weeks ago, your refusal to apologize > > > hadn't even been a > > > >>topic here for some time. If he wants to > > > come on FFL and > > > >>say something about it, he's welcome to do > > > so. > > > >> > > > >>Let me repeat what I said below, because > > > you appear to > > > >>have missed it: > > > >> > > > >>"There is no basis for you to demand > > > behind-the-scenes > > > >>negotiations. With behavior as appalling > > > as this, the > > > >>target does not have to give you any > > > 'indications' that > > > >>an apology is in order, or that he would > > > accept one if > > > >>you made it. Difficult though it may be > > > for you to face, > > > >>the reality is that you don't get to put > > > conditions on > > > >>making that apology. You owe it > > > unconditionally." > > > >> > > > >>> Nor do I think you have the moral > > > authority or mental good > > > >>> health to do so. > > > >> > > > >>I have to assume that is said without > > > intentional irony. > > > >> > > > >>> As to the former, I've seen how you > > > distort what I say. > > > >> > > > >>No, you haven't. I don't distort what > > > you've said. I can > > > >>back up every word of what I wrote below. > > > >> > > > >>> As to the latter, IMO I think you are > > > out of balance with > > > >>> regards to Robin. > > > >> > > > >>Says the person who called him a > > > "psychological rapist." > > > >> > > > >>Barry, you're going to lose your Master of > > > Inadvertent > > > >>Irony title if you aren't careful. > > > >> > > > >>> ________________________________ > > > >>> From: authfriend authfriend@ > > > >>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > >>> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 11:06 > > > PM > > > >>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Four for > > > Share > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Ãâà> > > >>> 349555 > > > >>> > > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > >>> (snip) > > > >>> > OTOH, thank you so much for your > > > insights about > > > >>> > apologizing. > > > >>> > > > >>> Xeno has no insights about > > > apologizing. He makes > > > >>> it up as he goes along because he > > > knows it impresses > > > >>> people like you. > > > >>> > > > >>> > Robin didn't accept my apologies > > > >>> > before and I've had no > > > indication from him that > > > >>> > he'd do so now. And actually I > > > have apologized > > > >>> > many times so I agree with you > > > that some posters > > > >>> > are using that issue, I'd say in > > > an unhealthy > > > >>> > way. IMO they need to focus on > > > their own lives > > > >>> > and let Robin and I, if we want, > > > figure out who > > > >>> > needs to apologize to whom and > > > for what. > > > >>> > > > >>> This is grossly offensive total > > > bullshit, Share. And > > > >>> somewhere deep in your stunted heart > > > and atrophied > > > >>> conscience, you know it. > > > >>> > > > >>> > There was plenty of hurtful > > > words on both sides. > > > >>> > > > >>> There did not have to be *any* > > > hurtful words on > > > >>> either side had you, Share, simply > > > accepted Robin's > > > >>> initial explanation of what he had > > > said to you that > > > >>> you had so absurdly misunderstood. > > > >>> > > > >>> Instead, you mulishly resisted that > > > explanation--as > > > >>> well as his gracious (and entirely > > > undeserved) *apology* > > > >>> to you for having written something > > > quite simple and > > > >>> straightforward that you somehow > > > managed to get > > > >>> thoroughly garbled in your own mind. > > > It was so > > > >>> ridiculously, hideously garbled that > > > Robin didn't even > > > >>> understand what you were objecting to > > > at first. > > > >>> > > > >>> Robin was blameless in all this. What > > > you call "hurtful > > > >>> words" on his side were no more than > > > his trying to get > > > >>> you to deal with reality. This > > > terrified you so badly > > > >>> that you made your inexcusable and > > > utterly unjustified > > > >>> accusation that he had > > > "psychologically raped" you-- > > > >>> referring back to your *original* > > > misunderstanding. I've > > > >>> documented how mild your initial > > > complaint was and how > > > >>> you went on to inflate and embroider > > > it, contradicting > > > >>> yourself time and again and refusing > > > to address the > > > >>> contradictions when they were pointed > > > out to you. > > > >>> > > > >>> There is no way anybody but you needs > > > to apologize. And > > > >>> your apology needs to be made in the > > > same place as you > > > >>> made your false accusation, right > > > here on FFL, in public > > > >>> where everyone can see it. That has > > > not happened yet. Not > > > >>> only have you not apologized "many > > > times," you have > > > >>> *never* apologized for that. > > > >>> > > > >>> There is no basis for you to demand > > > behind-the-scenes > > > >>> negotiations. With behavior as > > > appalling as this, the > > > >>> target does not have to give you any > > > "indications" that > > > >>> an apology is in order, or that he > > > would accept one if > > > >>> you made it. Difficult though it may > > > be for you to face, > > > >>> the reality is that you don't get to > > > put conditions on > > > >>> making that apology. You owe it > > > unconditionally. > > > >>> > > > >>> Your refusal to apologize for what > > > you know was a false > > > >>> accusation is the elephant in the > > > room of your claims > > > >>> to be all about seeking healing and > > > making amends for > > > >>> your bad behavior. You will never be > > > successful at either > > > >>> until you confront the reality of > > > that false accusation > > > >>> and apologize for it. > > > >>> > > > >>> 349462 > > > >>> > > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > turq has gone after me before > > > and I've survived. > > > >>> > > > >>> But you would much rather he didn't > > > do it again. > > > >>> That's understandable. *Pandering* to > > > him in order > > > >>> to get on his good side is > > > contemptible. > > > >>> > > > >>> > One of the qualities of Libra > > > ascendent which I > > > >>> > am, is that they like to balance > > > discussions and > > > >>> > situations. So when many are > > > opposing someone > > > >>> > here, I tend to take the > > > opposite view. > > > >>> > > > >>> Said with a completely straight face, > > > not even > > > >>> a whiff of irony. Unbelievable. > > > >>> > > > >>> > OTOH I don't like it when turq > > > says what are IMO > > > >>> > really mean things to or about > > > someone. But I > > > >>> > don't like it when anyone, > > > including myself, does > > > >>> > that. It seems that we're all on > > > a learning curve > > > >>> > about that. > > > >>> > > > >>> It seems you need to speak for > > > yourself, Share. > > > >>> > > > >>> 349579 > > > >>> > > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > You funny, Ann! turq and I are > > > what I call > > > >>> > frenemies. We know what we like > > > and what we > > > >>> > don't like about each other and > > > we've expressed > > > >>> > that here. I like that kind of > > > balance in a > > > >>> > frenemyship (-: > > > >>> > > > >>> Do you seriously think Barry has paid > > > one nanosecond's > > > >>> attention to what you've said you > > > don't like about him? > > > >>> (Or what you've said you do like, for > > > that matter?) > > > >>> > > > >>> Seriously? > > > >>> > > > >>> How do you manage to tie your shoes > > > in the morning? > > > >>> > > > >>> P.S.: "frenemy": one who pretends to > > > be a friend but is > > > >>> actually an enemy > > > >>> > > > >>> "The enemy of my enemy is my > > > frenemy." > > > >>> > > > >>> 349552 > > > >>> > > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Addled Judy about Share's > > > response: (And you're > > > >>> > responding to Xeno in any case, > > > not Nabby. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Share clarifies her own response > > > for Judy's sake: > > > >>> > I'm replying to both. The smiley > > > face was to Xeno > > > >>> > for his humor. And hopefully > > > Addled Judy, you can > > > >>> > see that the PS was to Nabby. > > > That it was a joke, > > > >>> > I realize, may be harder for you > > > to discern. > > > >>> > > > >>> Tell the truth, Share. > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >
