--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... <no_reply@...> wrote: > > It seems like the people most interested in curing these npd > and socio/psycho-paths are those who feel threatened by their > behavior.
On this forum, it's become almost a tradition among certain people here to diagnose FFL members they don't like with personality disorders as a way of putting them down. Or I should say "pretend to diagnose," because those who do it don't have a clue as to whether such a diagnosis is accurate. In many cases these faux mental health experts demonstrate an amazing degree of ignorance of their targets' actual personality traits as shown in their posts. The whole thing is disgracefully inappropriate and vicious, and those who indulge in it (Barry, Curtis, Share, Xeno, and their toadies) should be ashamed of themselves. The "cure" idea, BTW, has nothing to do with compassionate intent. It's just an extension of the putdown. I am not referring to anyone here, necessarily, but probably the best way to cure those people, is by responding appropriately to them. > > Intuition is a huge help in recognizing people like that - if it doesn't > smell right, it isn't right. Once they see it doesn't work, they may possibly > seek treatment. As long as their schtick works, though, no problem-o, from > their perspective. > > Seems like a bonafide first world problem - not something anyone just a > smidge, or two, closer to natural processes, would encounter, or even think > about, overruled by the growling of their stomach, to catch, or harvest a > meal. However, makes for great mental fodder, while cruising the aisles of > Safeway. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > Xeno, sorry for attributing to you the idea of NPD's incurability. I took > > it as tacit agreement when you left in that strong statement at the > > beginning of the article. I was wrong to do so. Just to repeat that I'm > > very encouraged by the work Dr. Behary is doing in the field of NPD. I > > think both she and Dr. Siegel, whose focus is on other disorders, use > > mindfulness meditation. I think they both also have a strong > > neurophysiological perspective on all this which I think is very good news. > > Think undeveloped mirror neurons, which I would guess sociopaths have, and > > what can be done to awaken and strengthen them via mental techniques and > > everyday strategies.  > > > > > > As for so called normal people and spiritual practices and results, I'm now > > mentally comparing Eckhart Tolle, Byron Katie and Adyashanti, three > > seemingly very different paths to a quite realized, IMO, state in each > > case. I'll also add in Father Keating whom Rick has interviewed. Actually > > listening to some of those interviews might shed some light on what, if > > any, influence there is from the original motivation onto the results. > > > > From my own experience and reading about others and listening to others, I > > think the whole thing is a crap shoot. I'm just reading Adya's Falling Into > > Grace, which is of course, a much better way of saying that! > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius <anartaxius@> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 8:32 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for > > Seraphita > > > > > > > >  > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > Xeno! You had me chuckling last night when I read this, thank you, and > > > smiling this morning as I reply. And even Ravi has finally noticed how > > > humorous you can be. See how much good a short, snappy reply can > > > accomplish?! I'm just sayin...AND I really enjoy your longer replies too. > > > > > > PS Any change in your opinion about NPD not being curable? > > > > As the subject of NPD was brought up on FFL, I was just curious, just as > > when I came across an article on sociopathy; so have been reading something > > about them. The opinion that NPD is not curable is not mine, it is found in > > the material I have read and copied to FFL. It is also the opinion in these > > articles that sociopathy is not curable either; these things seem to be > > baseline ways the brain and its programming interprets the world and the > > sense of self. > > > > The question that interests me is can a discipline like meditation have a > > significant impact on these people, and what would that impact be? It seems > > to be an unconscious rule in spiritual circles, if you do so-and-so, there > > will be some sort of uniform result. Maybe that is not true. Maybe only > > certain people, or even just a subset of certain people (what sociopaths > > call 'neuro-typical' people or empaths), respond in the predicted way to > > spiritual techniques. > > > > As research on meditation techniques is in general not very good, finding > > data on population subsets like this would seem to be out of the question > > at this point in most cases. > > > > Mental problems aside, it would be interesting to find out if there is a > > difference in result between people who learn meditation because they want > > to feel better, and people who have strong desire for enlightenment, this > > latter being the historical reason for doing meditation. This does not > > require a scientific definition of enlightenment, since none exists in my > > acquaintance, only that certain people want whatever the word enlightenment > > means to them. > > > > "Normal people get too bothered witnessing suffering to keep seeing it. > > Narcissists don't care â" they are too focused on their own story, judging > > the losers in a way that makes them feel good about themselves, etc. But > > sociopaths can really see the suffering and keep going." > > >
