--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote: > > Judy to the best of my memory, I have not attributed a personality disorder > to anyone but myself. OTOH I have said several times that I find such labels > useless and even harmful. I have attempted to counter reports on such with > what other experts say, especially as concerns curability.
Is arrogance a disorder and is it curable? The answer to this is of utmost importance to me, for reasons only you will understand the most profoundly of anyone. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: authfriend <authfriend@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 12:02 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for > Seraphita > > > > Â > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > It seems like the people most interested in curing these npd > > and socio/psycho-paths are those who feel threatened by their > > behavior. > > On this forum, it's become almost a tradition among > certain people here to diagnose FFL members they don't > like with personality disorders as a way of putting > them down. Or I should say "pretend to diagnose," > because those who do it don't have a clue as to > whether such a diagnosis is accurate. In many cases > these faux mental health experts demonstrate an > amazing degree of ignorance of their targets' actual > personality traits as shown in their posts. > > The whole thing is disgracefully inappropriate and > vicious, and those who indulge in it (Barry, Curtis, > Share, Xeno, and their toadies) should be ashamed of > themselves. > > The "cure" idea, BTW, has nothing to do with > compassionate intent. It's just an extension of the > putdown. > > I am not referring to anyone here, necessarily, but probably the best way to > cure those people, is by responding appropriately to them. > > > > Intuition is a huge help in recognizing people like that - if it doesn't > > smell right, it isn't right. Once they see it doesn't work, they may > > possibly seek treatment. As long as their schtick works, though, no > > problem-o, from their perspective. > > > > Seems like a bonafide first world problem - not something anyone just a > > smidge, or two, closer to natural processes, would encounter, or even think > > about, overruled by the growling of their stomach, to catch, or harvest a > > meal. However, makes for great mental fodder, while cruising the aisles of > > Safeway. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > Xeno, sorry for attributing to you the idea of NPD's incurability. I took > > > it as tacit agreement when you left in that strong statement at the > > > beginning of the article. I was wrong to do so. Just to repeat that I'm > > > very encouraged by the work Dr. Behary is doing in the field of NPD. I > > > think both she and Dr. Siegel, whose focus is on other disorders, use > > > mindfulness meditation. I think they both also have a strong > > > neurophysiological perspective on all this which I think is very good > > > news. Think undeveloped mirror neurons, which I would guess sociopaths > > > have, and what can be done to awaken and strengthen them via mental > > > techniques and everyday strategies.ÃÂ ÃÂ > > > > > > > > > As for so called normal people and spiritual practices and results, I'm > > > now mentally comparing Eckhart Tolle, Byron Katie and Adyashanti, three > > > seemingly very different paths to a quite realized, IMO, state in each > > > case. I'll also add in Father Keating whom Rick has interviewed. Actually > > > listening to some of those interviews might shed some light on what, if > > > any, influence there is from the original motivation onto the results. > > > > > > From my own experience and reading about others and listening to others, > > > I think the whole thing is a crap shoot. I'm just reading Adya's Falling > > > Into Grace, which is of course, a much better way of saying that! > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius <anartaxius@> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 8:32 AM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, > > > for Seraphita > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Xeno! You had me chuckling last night when I read this, thank you, and > > > > smiling this morning as I reply. And even Ravi has finally noticed how > > > > humorous you can be. See how much good a short, snappy reply can > > > > accomplish?! I'm just sayin...AND I really enjoy your longer replies > > > > too. > > > > > > > > PS Any change in your opinion about NPD not being curable? > > > > > > As the subject of NPD was brought up on FFL, I was just curious, just as > > > when I came across an article on sociopathy; so have been reading > > > something about them. The opinion that NPD is not curable is not mine, it > > > is found in the material I have read and copied to FFL. It is also the > > > opinion in these articles that sociopathy is not curable either; these > > > things seem to be baseline ways the brain and its programming interprets > > > the world and the sense of self. > > > > > > The question that interests me is can a discipline like meditation have a > > > significant impact on these people, and what would that impact be? It > > > seems to be an unconscious rule in spiritual circles, if you do > > > so-and-so, there will be some sort of uniform result. Maybe that is not > > > true. Maybe only certain people, or even just a subset of certain people > > > (what sociopaths call 'neuro-typical' people or empaths), respond in the > > > predicted way to spiritual techniques. > > > > > > As research on meditation techniques is in general not very good, finding > > > data on population subsets like this would seem to be out of the question > > > at this point in most cases. > > > > > > Mental problems aside, it would be interesting to find out if there is a > > > difference in result between people who learn meditation because they > > > want to feel better, and people who have strong desire for enlightenment, > > > this latter being the historical reason for doing meditation. This does > > > not require a scientific definition of enlightenment, since none exists > > > in my acquaintance, only that certain people want whatever the word > > > enlightenment means to them. > > > > > > "Normal people get too bothered witnessing suffering to keep seeing it. > > > Narcissists don't care Ã¢â¬" they are too focused on their own story, > > > judging the losers in a way that makes them feel good about themselves, > > > etc. But sociopaths can really see the suffering and keep going." > > > > > >