No, and yes. I hope this settles things for you.
--- In [email protected], "Ann" <awoelflebater@...> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > Judy to the best of my memory, I have not attributed a personality disorder > > to anyone but myself. OTOH I have said several times that I find such > > labels useless and even harmful. I have attempted to counter reports on > > such with what other experts say, especially as concerns curability. > > Is arrogance a disorder and is it curable? The answer to this is of utmost > importance to me, for reasons only you will understand the most profoundly of > anyone. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: authfriend <authfriend@> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 12:02 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for > > Seraphita > > > > > > > >  > > --- In [email protected], doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > It seems like the people most interested in curing these npd > > > and socio/psycho-paths are those who feel threatened by their > > > behavior. > > > > On this forum, it's become almost a tradition among > > certain people here to diagnose FFL members they don't > > like with personality disorders as a way of putting > > them down. Or I should say "pretend to diagnose," > > because those who do it don't have a clue as to > > whether such a diagnosis is accurate. In many cases > > these faux mental health experts demonstrate an > > amazing degree of ignorance of their targets' actual > > personality traits as shown in their posts. > > > > The whole thing is disgracefully inappropriate and > > vicious, and those who indulge in it (Barry, Curtis, > > Share, Xeno, and their toadies) should be ashamed of > > themselves. > > > > The "cure" idea, BTW, has nothing to do with > > compassionate intent. It's just an extension of the > > putdown. > > > > I am not referring to anyone here, necessarily, but probably the best way > > to cure those people, is by responding appropriately to them. > > > > > > Intuition is a huge help in recognizing people like that - if it doesn't > > > smell right, it isn't right. Once they see it doesn't work, they may > > > possibly seek treatment. As long as their schtick works, though, no > > > problem-o, from their perspective. > > > > > > Seems like a bonafide first world problem - not something anyone just a > > > smidge, or two, closer to natural processes, would encounter, or even > > > think about, overruled by the growling of their stomach, to catch, or > > > harvest a meal. However, makes for great mental fodder, while cruising > > > the aisles of Safeway. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Xeno, sorry for attributing to you the idea of NPD's incurability. I > > > > took it as tacit agreement when you left in that strong statement at > > > > the beginning of the article. I was wrong to do so. Just to repeat that > > > > I'm very encouraged by the work Dr. Behary is doing in the field of > > > > NPD. I think both she and Dr. Siegel, whose focus is on other > > > > disorders, use mindfulness meditation. I think they both also have a > > > > strong neurophysiological perspective on all this which I think is very > > > > good news. Think undeveloped mirror neurons, which I would guess > > > > sociopaths have, and what can be done to awaken and strengthen them via > > > > mental techniques and everyday strategies.àà> > > > > > > > > > > > As for so called normal people and spiritual practices and results, I'm > > > > now mentally comparing Eckhart Tolle, Byron Katie and Adyashanti, three > > > > seemingly very different paths to a quite realized, IMO, state in each > > > > case. I'll also add in Father Keating whom Rick has interviewed. > > > > Actually listening to some of those interviews might shed some light on > > > > what, if any, influence there is from the original motivation onto the > > > > results. > > > > > > > > From my own experience and reading about others and listening to > > > > others, I think the whole thing is a crap shoot. I'm just reading > > > > Adya's Falling Into Grace, which is of course, a much better way of > > > > saying that! > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius <anartaxius@> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 8:32 AM > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, > > > > for Seraphita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > > --- In [email protected], Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Xeno! You had me chuckling last night when I read this, thank you, > > > > > and smiling this morning as I reply. And even Ravi has finally > > > > > noticed how humorous you can be. See how much good a short, snappy > > > > > reply can accomplish?! I'm just sayin...AND I really enjoy your > > > > > longer replies too. > > > > > > > > > > PS Any change in your opinion about NPD not being curable? > > > > > > > > As the subject of NPD was brought up on FFL, I was just curious, just > > > > as when I came across an article on sociopathy; so have been reading > > > > something about them. The opinion that NPD is not curable is not mine, > > > > it is found in the material I have read and copied to FFL. It is also > > > > the opinion in these articles that sociopathy is not curable either; > > > > these things seem to be baseline ways the brain and its programming > > > > interprets the world and the sense of self. > > > > > > > > The question that interests me is can a discipline like meditation have > > > > a significant impact on these people, and what would that impact be? It > > > > seems to be an unconscious rule in spiritual circles, if you do > > > > so-and-so, there will be some sort of uniform result. Maybe that is not > > > > true. Maybe only certain people, or even just a subset of certain > > > > people (what sociopaths call 'neuro-typical' people or empaths), > > > > respond in the predicted way to spiritual techniques. > > > > > > > > As research on meditation techniques is in general not very good, > > > > finding data on population subsets like this would seem to be out of > > > > the question at this point in most cases. > > > > > > > > Mental problems aside, it would be interesting to find out if there is > > > > a difference in result between people who learn meditation because they > > > > want to feel better, and people who have strong desire for > > > > enlightenment, this latter being the historical reason for doing > > > > meditation. This does not require a scientific definition of > > > > enlightenment, since none exists in my acquaintance, only that certain > > > > people want whatever the word enlightenment means to them. > > > > > > > > "Normal people get too bothered witnessing suffering to keep seeing it. > > > > Narcissists don't care ââ¬" they are too focused on their own story, > > > > judging the losers in a way that makes them feel good about themselves, > > > > etc. But sociopaths can really see the suffering and keep going." > > > > > > > > > >
