Hi Share, it is a difference in identity. In UC it is still all about *me* and *you*, and how *I* am so much in union with *you*.
So although fusion is taking place, it is wrt the experience of *me* in Unity. Ego tripping at its best. From UC, the identity will shift. Make sense? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote: > > Rory, I don't understand this at all. I thought that in Unity one is one with > all. How could that possible mean being lord of all? Could it not be that > people remain in Unity for decades because there is one heck of a lot of > integrating going on? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: RoryGoff <rorygoff@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 10:00 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators > > > > Â > Yeah, I don't know, but I am pretty sure I know one or more people who have > remained in UC or something similar for decades. There is a pay-off for the > ego NOT to go further, for it is at its pinnacle, lord of all it surveys > (LOL) and why would it trade cake for death? :-D > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Sure, agreed about the lack of choice, especially since it has already > > happened. But ten years seems like one heck of a long time to be stuck in > > UC - Can't even conceive of such a thing; a lack of fundamental > > integration, for that length of time - unbelievable. > > > > Yeah, the drain plug gets pulled on all concepts and relative comparisons, > > eventually. Not because they cannot be made, if necessary, but because they > > stop making sense, overall, which is different. And since water flows > > downhill, there is not much sustained thought in that direction, of an > > identity. Whatever it is, is freer to be whatever suits the moment. > > > > There is no holding onto, because not only is there no attachment to the > > object, the subject-object ceases to fuse together into Unity > > Consciousness. Instead, the subject and the object disappear completely, > > paradoxically allowing each to be fully experienced, in the moment, > > encompassing potentially, all and any states of consciousness (SOC). > > > > Encompassing potentially, all SOC, does not mean that access is > > theoretically available for anyone. Sure, that, and five bucks, buys you > > coffee. So, in order to encompass the potential of all SOC, the elimination > > of the subject-object relationship has to occur. > > > > After that, it smooths out - lol > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@> wrote: > > > > > > I am not sure he had any real choice to do it differently; it seems that > > > I never have. For me, anyhow, Awakening rather destroyed any illusion of > > > free will and real choice I ever had. This is not entirely true, though, > > > of course. > > > > > > True enough though that for some at least UC is not the pinnacle, and the > > > "next step" often involves abjuring the whole idea of steps, and a > > > pinnacle, and growth, and all of that, in a way. :-) > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Just that by keeping it to himself, and seeing what came next, he could > > > > have spared himself a lot of drama, and possibly time. That's all. I am > > > > not saying he should have been more contemplative, only that hopefully > > > > he has learned now that UC is not the pinnacle of human consciousness. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I meant all those comments wrt his UC experience. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I figured that, but I don't know how they relate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, it was going public that fucked him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Going public"?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Possibly would have grown out of it sooner, otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Grown out of it"?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ten years is a damned long time to be stuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Stuck"?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - my assumption is that he stopped TM during that time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, he's never said, so we really do not know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > > > > > <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ > > > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yummy! I haven't eaten lunch yet -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > > > > > > > > > <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > (snip) > > > > > > > > > > > This is where Robin Carlson messed up: he thought that he > > > > > > > > > > > "had > > > > > > > > > > > it all" because he had a valid experience of UC, and, at > > > > > > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > by what he has said, he stopped doing TM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **Heard an expression a long time ago about dropping acid > > > > > > > > > > that serves > > > > > > > > > > as a pretty good guide, "Don't peak too soon". Works for > > > > > > > > > > seekers, and > > > > > > > > > > child actors, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Er, it wouldn't have worked for Robin. He had no choice about > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > to "peak." It was involuntary and completely unexpected, and > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > didn't go away for 10-plus years. (And he's never said exactly > > > > > > > > > when he stopped doing TM.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
