Yeah, keep this on the QT, but he is apparently into group-sex big time, and with his own chelas at that. Looks like a real power imbalance there.
--- In [email protected], doctordumbass@... <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Krishna Does Kleveland. Eww. > > --- In [email protected], "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@> wrote: > > > > Yeah, and smutty too. > > > > --- In [email protected], doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Seriously, UC is *so* low vibe. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Off with my head! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I don't know, but I am pretty sure I know one or more people > > > > > who have remained in UC or something similar for decades. There is a > > > > > pay-off for the ego NOT to go further, for it is at its pinnacle, > > > > > lord of all it surveys (LOL) and why would it trade cake for death? > > > > > :-D > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure, agreed about the lack of choice, especially since it has > > > > > > already happened. But ten years seems like one heck of a long time > > > > > > to be stuck in UC - Can't even conceive of such a thing; a lack of > > > > > > fundamental integration, for that length of time - unbelievable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, the drain plug gets pulled on all concepts and relative > > > > > > comparisons, eventually. Not because they cannot be made, if > > > > > > necessary, but because they stop making sense, overall, which is > > > > > > different. And since water flows downhill, there is not much > > > > > > sustained thought in that direction, of an identity. Whatever it > > > > > > is, is freer to be whatever suits the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no holding onto, because not only is there no attachment > > > > > > to the object, the subject-object ceases to fuse together into > > > > > > Unity Consciousness. Instead, the subject and the object disappear > > > > > > completely, paradoxically allowing each to be fully experienced, in > > > > > > the moment, encompassing potentially, all and any states of > > > > > > consciousness (SOC). > > > > > > > > > > > > Encompassing potentially, all SOC, does not mean that access is > > > > > > theoretically available for anyone. Sure, that, and five bucks, > > > > > > buys you coffee. So, in order to encompass the potential of all > > > > > > SOC, the elimination of the subject-object relationship has to > > > > > > occur. > > > > > > > > > > > > After that, it smooths out - lol > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure he had any real choice to do it differently; it > > > > > > > seems that I never have. For me, anyhow, Awakening rather > > > > > > > destroyed any illusion of free will and real choice I ever had. > > > > > > > This is not entirely true, though, of course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True enough though that for some at least UC is not the pinnacle, > > > > > > > and the "next step" often involves abjuring the whole idea of > > > > > > > steps, and a pinnacle, and growth, and all of that, in a way. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just that by keeping it to himself, and seeing what came next, > > > > > > > > he could have spared himself a lot of drama, and possibly time. > > > > > > > > That's all. I am not saying he should have been more > > > > > > > > contemplative, only that hopefully he has learned now that UC > > > > > > > > is not the pinnacle of human consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" > > > > > > > > <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], doctordumbass@ > > > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I meant all those comments wrt his UC experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I figured that, but I don't know how they relate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" > > > > > > > > > > <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], doctordumbass@ > > > > > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, it was going public that fucked him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Going public"?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Possibly would have grown out of it sooner, otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Grown out of it"?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ten years is a damned long time to be stuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Stuck"?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - my assumption is that he stopped TM during that time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, he's never said, so we really do not know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" > > > > > > > > > > > > <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], doctordumbass@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yummy! I haven't eaten lunch yet -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > (snip) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is where Robin Carlson messed up: he thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he "had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it all" because he had a valid experience of UC, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and, at least > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by what he has said, he stopped doing TM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **Heard an expression a long time ago about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping acid that serves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a pretty good guide, "Don't peak too soon". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Works for seekers, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > child actors, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Er, it wouldn't have worked for Robin. He had no > > > > > > > > > > > > > choice about when > > > > > > > > > > > > > to "peak." It was involuntary and completely > > > > > > > > > > > > > unexpected, and it > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't go away for 10-plus years. (And he's never > > > > > > > > > > > > > said exactly > > > > > > > > > > > > > when he stopped doing TM.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
