Fucker! Grrrrrr....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, keep this on the QT, but he is apparently into group-sex big time, and
> with his own chelas at that. Looks like a real power imbalance there.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > Krishna Does Kleveland. Eww.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah, and smutty too.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Seriously, UC is *so* low vibe.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Off with my head!
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah, I don't know, but I am pretty sure I know one or more people
> > > > > > who have remained in UC or something similar for decades. There is
> > > > > > a pay-off for the ego NOT to go further, for it is at its pinnacle,
> > > > > > lord of all it surveys (LOL) and why would it trade cake for death?
> > > > > > :-D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sure, agreed about the lack of choice, especially since it has
> > > > > > > already happened. But ten years seems like one heck of a long
> > > > > > > time to be stuck in UC - Can't even conceive of such a thing; a
> > > > > > > lack of fundamental integration, for that length of time -
> > > > > > > unbelievable.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah, the drain plug gets pulled on all concepts and relative
> > > > > > > comparisons, eventually. Not because they cannot be made, if
> > > > > > > necessary, but because they stop making sense, overall, which is
> > > > > > > different. And since water flows downhill, there is not much
> > > > > > > sustained thought in that direction, of an identity. Whatever it
> > > > > > > is, is freer to be whatever suits the moment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is no holding onto, because not only is there no attachment
> > > > > > > to the object, the subject-object ceases to fuse together into
> > > > > > > Unity Consciousness. Instead, the subject and the object
> > > > > > > disappear completely, paradoxically allowing each to be fully
> > > > > > > experienced, in the moment, encompassing potentially, all and any
> > > > > > > states of consciousness (SOC).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Encompassing potentially, all SOC, does not mean that access is
> > > > > > > theoretically available for anyone. Sure, that, and five bucks,
> > > > > > > buys you coffee. So, in order to encompass the potential of all
> > > > > > > SOC, the elimination of the subject-object relationship has to
> > > > > > > occur.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > After that, it smooths out - lol
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am not sure he had any real choice to do it differently; it
> > > > > > > > seems that I never have. For me, anyhow, Awakening rather
> > > > > > > > destroyed any illusion of free will and real choice I ever had.
> > > > > > > > This is not entirely true, though, of course.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > True enough though that for some at least UC is not the
> > > > > > > > pinnacle, and the "next step" often involves abjuring the whole
> > > > > > > > idea of steps, and a pinnacle, and growth, and all of that, in
> > > > > > > > a way. :-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@
> > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Just that by keeping it to himself, and seeing what came
> > > > > > > > > next, he could have spared himself a lot of drama, and
> > > > > > > > > possibly time. That's all. I am not saying he should have
> > > > > > > > > been more contemplative, only that hopefully he has learned
> > > > > > > > > now that UC is not the pinnacle of human consciousness.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> > > > > > > > > <authfriend@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@
> > > > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I meant all those comments wrt his UC experience.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Well, I figured that, but I don't know how they relate.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> > > > > > > > > > > <authfriend@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@
> > > > > > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, it was going public that fucked him.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Going public"??
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Possibly would have grown out of it sooner, otherwise.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Grown out of it"??
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ten years is a damned long time to be stuck
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Stuck"??
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > - my assumption is that he stopped TM during that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > time.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Again, he's never said, so we really do not know.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <authfriend@> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yummy! I haven't eaten lunch yet --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <LEnglish5@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is where Robin Carlson messed up: he
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought that he "had
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it all" because he had a valid experience of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > UC, and, at least
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by what he has said, he stopped doing TM.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **Heard an expression a long time ago about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping acid that serves
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a pretty good guide, "Don't peak too soon".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Works for seekers, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > child actors, too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Er, it wouldn't have worked for Robin. He had no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > choice about when
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to "peak." It was involuntary and completely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unexpected, and it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't go away for 10-plus years. (And he's never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > said exactly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > when he stopped doing TM.)
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