--- In [email protected], "RoryGoff" wrote: > > --- In [email protected], turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: > > > > OK, you sucked me in. !-) > > HA! Attention-vampire that I am! My evil plan is now complete! :-) > > > > I'm gonna have to challenge > > your idea that what an individual "wants" has anything > > to do with what he gets, at least in the pursuit of > > that-which-cannot-be-pursued, enlightenment. > > > > That kinda sounds like ego to me. "*I* caused this to > > happen to *me*." > > Yeah, when it got down to it at the "end,"...
OK, stop right there. Really. What on earth -- *other* than ego -- could cause a single iteration of genus homo spapiens to declare that "where *he* was at" was "the end?" I *honestly* do not see any "end" to the evolutionary process, if it even exists. It goes on forever. Are you honestly trying to make a case for some state of consciousness being its "end?" > ...it was all about the ego getting what it finally, ultimately, > painfully needed,... Please explain what this "it" you refer to refers to, if not one's individual ego. > ...realizing with a flash of shock and awe that ego and "God" > or reality or Truth were actually, finally, incredible as it > might seem, *actually on the same page* and what the ego > deep-down NEEDED, the Universe also NEEDED for the > ego. We're waiting for you to explain how they are different, this "ego" you refer to, and this "Universe" you refer to. > That deep-down Reality actually did give a shit, was big > enough to care about the tiny insignificant stuff like an > ego too. How do I interpret this statement other than, "My ego is SO cool that even the Creator must pay attention to it?" :-) > > I'm more of a believer in "Shit just happens." :-) > > Yes, I am sure that That too is True :-) Then we have some possibility of future discourse. Home in on that, and drop all this "*I* wanted it" or "God wanted it" crap. Could you be happy with all that you have experienced in life if there were NO "plan" behind it, NO "creator" or "God" behind it, just randomicity? > > Any of my "enlightenment" experiences -- WHATEVER the > > fuck they were -- occurred when they fuckin' felt like > > it, not when I felt like it. Has your experience been > > different? > > That was ABSOLUTELY my experience, I would say, until > the last few weeks before the "death" or "crucifixion" or > Awakening or permanent shift of "Brahman remembering > Brahman." Whatever. Asked to describe any of my "enlightenment experiences," I'd have to stick with, "I just experienced a brain fart." Different strokes for different folks. :-) > During that last week or two boundaries started to melt as > I found I could "talk myself into" or out of pretty much > any state or experience at will, shifting my perceptions at > their root via a kind of intellectual dialogue. And it never occurred to you that these "states or experiences" might be just fantasies that you...uh...projected onto your self? > > I mean, my first 24/7-for-several-weeks experience of > > such an experience may have happened on a TM course, > > which can be construed to have involved "wanting" or will, > > but many of my subsequent experiences have not. I once > > was hurled into a several-week period of "enlightenment > > experiences" during a mugging attempt in Amsterdam. The > > guy pulled his knife, and I transcended and "stayed > > there" for quite a while. I also kicked his ass and > > sent him away without his booty. :-) > > > > Not meaning to shit on your party, I nonetheless would > > be curious as to whether you feel you can detect a one- > > to-one-relationship between you "wanting" to shift into > > a different state of consciousness, and that happening. > > Yes, but only as everything drew to a close, as mentioned above. Ah, "the close." That's a term that salesmen use, isn't it? :-) > > In real time, that is. It's easy to create the illusion > > of such an IF - THEN relationship in retrospect. :-) :-) :-) > > Yeah, it was in real time, but as time -- or my belief in its pre- > eminence -- was rapidly evaporating. How cool for you. > Thanks for the rap, Turq. I enjoyed this a lot :-) :-) :-) Just checking whether you're actually "rappable." :-)
