Who says that MMY kept close tabs on Robin?
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> > > > > > > > He now thinks enlightenment generally is a sort of
> > > > > > > > cosmic trick furthered by intelligences that do not
> > > > > > > > have the best interests of human beings at heart.
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> > > > > > > In other words he's raving mad.
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> > > > > > As much as I appreciated the fellows sensitivity, graciousness
> > > > > > and ability to write poetically something obviously went very
> > > > > > wrong. To me it seemed he was trying to force Maharishi into
> > > > > > acknowledge his enlightenment, which I personally don't think
> > > > > > was a very wise thing to do.
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> > > > > That's exactly what he did, but it was back in *1983*, and
> > > > > he realizes now it wasn't a very wise thing to do. On the
> > > > > other hand, at the time he had reason to believe that
> > > > > Maharishi supported him totallly, and he was flabbergasted
> > > > > and distressed by Maharishi's response to his demand that
> > > > > Maharishi certify his enlightenment, which was recorded and
> > > > > played in court when MIU sued him. Again, he's described
> > > > > all this in his posts.
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> > > > > > Someone here, Dr.D ?, suggested he should have waited for
> > > > > > awhile, stopped and see how things develop, which would have
> > > > > > been a wise thing to do. Instead he rushed away proclaiming
> > > > > > all kinds of stuff to people hungry for someone to talk to.
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> > > > > That's yet another absurd characterization. He didn't "rush
> > > > > away." He stayed for the rest of the course he was on and
> > > > > then went home. There was no way he could keep it a secret
> > > > > that he had become enlightened; Maharishi had asked him to
> > > > > talk about it to the course participants, and of course the
> > > > > word got around.
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> > > > There you have it. The "word got around" because they
> > > > couldn't keep their big mouths shut. I feel sorry for
> > > > Maharishi having to deal with all these nitwits, these
> > > > hard knots of ignorance, including myself :-)
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> > > Seems to me he coulda told Robin and the rest of the CPs
> > > to keep their big mouths shut if he wanted to keep it
> > > quiet.
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> > > > What an impossible task he took upon himself, still he
> > > > managed to pull it through with the support of the Masters
> > > > of the Holy Tradition.
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> > > > This quote is from 1983, after the events you are referring
> > > > to.
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> > > Which quote? Your Maharishi quote below?
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> > > > But somehow I doubt these course participant nor Robin
> > > > would be able to grasp it's significance. I also had to
> > > > learn this lesson the hard way:
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> > > > "Matters of Divine significance have to be kept private, in
> > > > order to fructify" - Maharishi (from notes)
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> > > Hard to tell which "matters" he was referring to without
> > > any context. It doesn't appear that he could have been
> > > referring to Robin, since he never told Robin to keep it
> > > private.
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> > > Unless he said this after the MIU mess, having realized
> > > it was a *mistake* not to have told Robin to keep it
> > > private, and to have had him describe his experience of
> > > Unity to the course participants.
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> > > If that was the case, why didn't the Masters of the Holy
> > > Tradition give him that guidance when he needed it? Why
> > > didn't he give *Robin* that guidance when he needed it?
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> > > I think you may have put yourself into a box you can't
> > > get out of, Nabby.
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> > Oh'yes, and it's quite cosy in here too :-)
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> > Robin was one of thousands of CP's at the time, he wasn't
> > as important to Maharishi as you seem to think.
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> I don't think you're in a position to know that, actually.
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> Seems to me that if Robin had in fact achieved Unity
> consciousness, he would have been a *very* big deal to
> Maharishi, exactly because he was the only one of those
> thousands of CPs who had "made it," ostensibly proving
> that TM was what Maharishi said it was.
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> After Robin had gone home, Maharishi kept very close
> tabs on him, even sending aides to Vancouver to check
> out what he was doing. Robin never heard a
> discouraging word from him.
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> Maharishi never gave Robin any reason to believe
> Maharishi didn't endorse his enlightenment, or what he
> was doing with it, not until the court case in 1983,
> which put Maharishi between a rock and a hard place.
> Had Maharishi agreed that Robin was in Unity at that
> point, the complications would have been enormous.
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> > Why should the quote have anything to do with Robin ?
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> Why indeed?
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> > He said it many many times, before and after 1983, but if
> > you think he didn't have anything better to do than to
> > repeat himself to every course every time you are mistaken.
> > It's one of those things one should be alert to, if you
> > were not, well then you simply wasn't alert or didn't pay
> > attention, or worse; didn't want to pay attention because
> > it suited your ego better to blabla about "divine matters"
> > to make you feel important.
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> If Robin's Unity consciousness was one of those "divine
> matters," why did Maharishi have him tell the CPs all
> about it? Why didn't Maharishi tell him he shouldn't be
> teaching on the basis of being enlightened when Robin
> got home? Robin would have done whatever Maharishi told
> him to do. He was totally sold out to Maharishi as his
> master.
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> > Regarding why the Holy Tradition didn't instruct Robin what
> > to do;
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> I asked why the Holy Tradition didn't instruct *Maharishi*
> what to do. That was in reference to your claim:
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> "What an impossible task he took upon himself, still he
> managed to pull it through with the support of the Masters
> of the Holy Tradition."
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> > why don't you innoscently ask Them yourself ? Or ask
> > Maharishi, he is available too.
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> Cop-out city, Nabby. They aren't available to me. You ask
> them and let us know what they say, OK? I'll be most
> interested in how they resolve the contradiction you've
> set up.
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