dear One of Many Names! You're back! Welcome! Ok, just wanted to say a quick hello, must now do post-Dome wade through of about 60 posts!
Will leave you to your fun with Judy (-: Sharon ________________________________ From: iranitea <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299889 > > > > Instead of the above post, read this CORRECTED VERSION, > > it contains many wrong attributions: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/353508. > > I just came back just to correct the many wrong attributions > > to me! Btw. how reliable would a post be, that contains so > > many mistakes? > > A larger, unaddressed question is how reliable would > the word of the person who is still claiming to have > been so important that Maharishi kept tabs on *him* > be in the first place. > > A *lot* of the silly "defenses of Robin" on this forum > seem to be based on taking the word of a documented > liar. Remember how he claimed over and over that he > had never struck any of his students? A lie is still a lie is a lie. Regarding Robin, I am not a psychiatrist, I am also not trying to be one. But even the very first post I ever read of him, I thought he is weird and crazy somehow. The whole hyperbole, and consequent split with Judy that followed shortly after the above exchange, came about through me publicly expressing my opinion - an opinion, nothing more - and publicly, that's important. Because, when I read the first posts of Robin, and my final impression was formed, I didn't know his name! I heard people talking about Robin Carlsen, and MUM, but I had not an inkling of an idea, that these two things were connected. Incidentally, at the same time, as I had just returned with a new identity, Zarzari, I had an online email conversation with Judy, where I exactly expressed my feelings about him, prior to knowing that maskedzebra was Robin Carlsen. I still remember the moment it dawned in my mind, that this Maskedzebra, who wrote long and winding 5 part posts to Curtis was actually not just any Robin, but THE Robin Carlsen of MUM fame, after hearing the stories of flyers being dropped from helicopters during MUM flying sessions. I have had the advantage / disadvantage of coming across a lot of crazy people in my life, many in the TM movement, many meditating too much and not working enough. I have witnessed many people being handed over to mental asylums in the TM movement, some even been close friends. So I have developed a certain look, to see signs, that are odd, and point in the direction of some mental problem. It is interesting, that I incidentally found parts of this old correspondence in one of my mailboxes, because after the split with Judy, I had deleted all posts of her, she had sent to me privately. But incidentally - I found still my answers, quoting her in my Sent-folder. I won't disclose what she said, even though that might be quite surprising to some people. But I will quote what I said, and SHE WILL KNOW that it's true! This is proof, that I don't have any 'ax to grind' with Robin. That when I first encountered him, thinking, he is somehow 'crazy', I didn't know who he was nor had any sense of his history. I also told her, what exactly mean by a 'borderline personality'. This wasn't a problem, as long as this was just an email exchange with Judy. Here, some quotes from MY posts regarding Robin to Judy in 2011, starting 15 Dec. : "And, I can answer you off-board, what the whole thing was about, we got into right now, I think it's more about Robin / MaskedZebra, I sort of can't handle his posts, I mean I get too much, to cut the whole story short. I mean all this comment of the long-winding, out of touch with reality, over the top, romanticisms, over-intellectualizations maybe you know what I mean. Maybe I just don't get him language wise, maybe there is a sort of conscious exaggeration, or play with irony, which I don't get" Another post same day: "He is surly a brilliant writer, but really too much off in every way, for my taste, can't help, mainly MF (edit: Mind F*ck) to me (Ravi is actually right about this), intellectual enlightened (has nothing to do with REAL enlightenment IMO)" "Yes, he is entertaining, but again, can't read it all. I just reread some of his posts, to really try seeing what I found so totally mad and off with him, the start letter of 'SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula', the first one and then his answer to Vaj. I get it a little better now, but it's still crazy, totally over projection." Now same day later. The revelation dawns in my mind WHO he is: "Hi Judy again, Oh is this masked zebra Robin Carlsen, the guy Lassen was alluding to? Deep shit." On the next post in response to Judy: "No, I had no idea! It came right at the spot I wrote it to you, I wrote from my phone. As I already told you my opinion, it becomes more and more clear: this guy is highly disturbed. I'm sort of glad I found this quite quick, just rading posts of him, not knowing the deeper shit. Poor Ravi! And thanks for the link." Two days later, on Dec 17: "Now that's the other thing. He was clearly into a powerplay from day one. As it seems, his interactions with others, had mainly to do with exorcizing (don't know if thats the right word here) bad spirits, demons, whatever. And that's his current main theme as well - not really so different. All the vedic gods being some kind of demons. Of course that doesn't make a person crazy. But for him, as it seems, it has ALWAYS been about demons vs the good forces, and that in itself rings an alarm to me.I happen to be in contact with many people, and I also get across borderline people or simply psychotic people regularly, for example over the phone. So, being troubled by adverse forces for me has always been a main signal for this - no matter how you rationalize it. This man has a great capacity to make things into a world view it seems, but the underlying current is quite simply his perception of negative forces." And in the same post, first time I mentioned borderline personality, explaining exactly what I had meant: "Again OMG. I don't mean to say, that any of these beliefs can determine that a person is psychotically ill, I say crazy as to me these are crazy views, and the whole emphasis to me points in the direction of psychosis. He is clearly a borderline personality. Borderline personalities are among the most creative people." Please not, how I had defined, what I had meant with borderline personality, PRIOR to all online talk we had about this on FFL. How I described it as a very mild form, as I said 'pointing in the direction of psychosis'. And how I point out that they are actually amongst the most creative persons. And that wasn't meant sarcastically in any way, as it should be obvious. Up until this point, our email exchange was really friendly and polite. The problem, she had with me, was, 1) when I sided with you 2) went public with my opinion. And then I experienced a very different Judy, than previously experienced. Soon I was called a LIAR, being obsessive myself, and being prejudiced against Robin. I might have been prejudiced against Robin after reading CULT, which was sort of hard to get through. But that was much later. It's quite possible that Robin was close to enlightenment, but obviously things went wrong from a certain point onward. It may have to do with his previous excessive LSD consumption he was alluding to many times. I also think, that there is a certain overlap between spiritual phenomena, enlightenment, and schizophrenia. Many enlightened saints were called crazy by contemporaries. I have myself seen 'crazy saints', at least two of them from Andhra. So, when things go out of hand, a person could land in what Sri Aurobindo called the 'Intermediary Area'. There is a letter of him about this IA, I think any spiritual aspirant should read. Otherwise, I just wish him well. As it is, in another mailbox, I also found some exchange we have had in the past, where you actually sent me a report of how you had met Carlos Castaneda in LA, prior to all the Tensegrity stuff that came out later. I just reread it. Thank you again. You are a nice guy, and you have much openness within you, and a great capacity to share.
