Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ishvara - The Transcendental Person

[Richard J. Williams]

The term 'Isha' refers to Ishvara, the cosmic person, Paramatman or 
Brahman. Ishvara is the supreme controller. According to the Isha, those 
who are engaged in the worship of the demi-Gods enter into the darkest 
region of ignorance, and still more so do the worshipers of the 
impersonal Absolute alone. From what I've read, many of the adherents of 
Vedanta do not espouse the Advaita Vedanta, instead they follow other 
traditions. According to Sri Aurobindo, this Transcendental Person is 
not false - He is real, not an illusion.

So, where exactly did the non-dual notion enter into Indian polemics? If 
most of the seers taught dualism or qualified dualism, where did 
Shankara get the non-dualistic notions? Maybe Shankara got the maya idea 
from the Buddhists up in Kashmir. Go figure.

The term 'Trika' mean three - that comes from the idea that there are 
three levels of consciousness: waking, dreaming, and sleeping, and a 
fourth called the Transcendental state.

4. The Self is transcendental, immortal and beyond the mind and the senses.

Read more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isha_Upanishad

On 10/4/2013 9:19 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:

I'm not sure what you are claiming by these posting these quotes.


I started reading Autobindo's Life Divine and Synthesis of Yoga in the 
fall of 1966 when I was a freshman in college. After starting TM, we 
couldn't understand why MMY never referenced him. Now we know why. 
Aurobindo never understood Shankara’s Advaita but rather interpreted 
it in terms of 19^th -20^th Century Western Idealist philosophy.


By the way, all your quotes from A.C. Bhaktivendanta simply 
demonstrate how shallow your knowledge of the Gaudiya Vaishnava 
sampradaya is in the larger constellation of Indian darshanas. One of 
my friends was an early disciple of Prabhupad (1968). Over a 20 years 
period he spend 12 years traveling and doing sadhana in India. He also 
did specialized training in Pancharatra Vidhi in Udipi, South India to 
become a Western pujari. In fact he installed my own shivalingam with 
a traditional Pancharatra ceremony, replete with immense devashakti.


I have read Rupa Goswami, have you?


Wiki Willy may look impressive to people who don’t understand the 
principles involved but not much for those know even a little sad-dharma.


Wake up and smell the Prairie Dog ganja.



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, <punditster@...> wrote:

"The Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete, and because He is 
completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such as this phenomenal 
world, are perfectly equipped as complete wholes. Whatever is produced 
of the Complete Whole is also complete in itself. Because He is the 
Complete Whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, 
He remains the complete balance. "

Invocation:
http://vedabase.com/en/iso

"The Ultimate Reality is two fulls - 200% of each. One who knows 
nescience side-by-side with the transcendent, can pass beyond repeated 
birth and death, and can enjoy the full blessings of immortality."

Work cited:

'Isha Upanishad'
Translation by Sri Aurobindo
Sri Aurobindo Ashram Trust
Pondicherry, India 1914

    On 10/4/2013 9:03 AM, iranitea wrote:

The commentary of the Isha Upanishad, actually a very short 
Upanishad, was later expanded by Aurobindo and served as the starting 
point of The Life Divine, which is really his magnum opus. You are 
right, he didn't subscribe to Shankaras Kevala, but would call his 
philosophy to be based on Bhedabheda.


Could you say, where you actually cite, and where you paraphrase? I 
didn't find : the Ultimate Reality is two fulls - 200% of each. One 
who knows nescience side-by-side with the transcendent,in his Isha 
commentary.



Richard wrote:

Because many of these good fellows (sadhus) do not ascribe to the 
illusion
theory, 'maya' proposed by the Adi. According to Sri Aurobindo, this
Transcendental Person is not false - He is real, not an illusion.

Isha Upanishad:

"The face of Truth is covered with a brilliant
golden lid; that do thou remove O'Fosterer,
for the law of the Truth, for sight." - Isha v 2

The term 'Isha' refers to Ishvara, the cosmic person, Paramatman or
Brahman.
Ishvara is the supreme controller.

Sri Aurobindo wrote that the Ultimate Reality is two fulls - 200% of
each. One
who knows nescience side-by-side with the transcendent, can pass beyond
repeated birth and death, and can enjoy the full blessings of 
immortality.

Work cited:

'Isha Upanishad'
Translation by Sri Aurobindo
Sri Aurobindo Ashram Trust
Pondicherry, India 1914



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
<mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com>, <punditster@...> 
<mailto:punditster@...> wrote:

So, since Krishna is the Absolute, he is in fact 'indescribably
different', (Acyenta
Bheda Bheda). At first this seems to be non-sensical, but if you think
about it,
it makes more sense, and if you remember what MMY said in CBG 1-6.

According to MMY, Lord Krishna is the 'Transcendental Person', 
mentioned in
Bhagavad Gita. That means that He is beyond, or transcendental to,
phenomenon
- the relative world of change.

Many of the Vedantists who composed the Vedic literature were dualists or
qualified-dualists, and others were mixed dualists and some were
qualified-dualists. While all the Upanishadic thinkers were
transcendentalists,
not all of them ascribed to the Advaita philosophy, non-dualism.

In fact, there is good reason to doubt the Advaita of the Adi
Shankaracharya.
Because many of these good fellows (sadhus) do not ascribe to the 
illusion
theory, 'maya' proposed by the Adi. According to Sri Aurobindo, this
Transcendental Person is not false - He is real, not an illusion.

Isha Upanishad:

"The face of Truth is covered with a brilliant
golden lid; that do thou remove O'Fosterer,
for the law of the Truth, for sight." - Isha v 2

The term 'Isha' refers to Ishvara, the cosmic person, Paramatman or
Brahman.
Ishvara is the supreme controller.

Sri Aurobindo wrote that the Ultimate Reality is two fulls - 200% of
each. One
who knows nescience side-by-side with the transcendent, can pass beyond
repeated birth and death, and can enjoy the full blessings of 
immortality.

Work cited:

'Isha Upanishad'
Translation by Sri Aurobindo
Sri Aurobindo Ashram Trust
Pondicherry, India 1914

Notes:

nescience

adjective

from Latin nescient, present participle of nescire not to know, from ne-
not + scire to know — more at no, science.

1. lack of knowledge or awareness
2. ignorance

Synonyms

benightedness, cluelessness, incognizance, innocence, ignorance,
obliviousness,
unawareness, unfamiliarity

Examples:

"The appalling nescience of today's high schoolers concerning
international affairs."

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nescience