Apparently Vaj and emptybill are not realizing the source of Maharishi's
Seven States typology. Since emptybill is too busy gazing at his navel,
let us review what we know about MMY's seven state consciousness typology:
Everyone knows, Maharishi's Seven States are drawn directly from
Mandukhya Upanishad.
According to what I've read, the 'seven states of consciousness' have
become the standard used by most gurus, teachers, and exponents of both
eastern and western spiritual and wisdom teachings and consciousness
expanding techniques, for example Swami Rama of the Himalayas.
The Seven States typology is a well defined explanation of the different
states of consciousness humans must develop in order to reach
enlightenment. This Seven States typology is easy for TMers to
understand - I don't know why Vaj and emptybill want to confuse you and
make it seem complicated. Go figure.
So, it's pretty obvious by now that neither emptybill nor Vaj can
actually elucidate Maharishi's 'Seven States of Consciousness',
otherwise they would have done so by now!
So, for the benefit of some TMers and for the non-TMers on the forum,
these are the Seven States of Consciousness enumerated by the MMY:
1. Waking State Consciousness
2. Dream State Consciousness
3. Dream State Consciousness
4. Transcendental Consciousness
5. Cosmic Consciousness
6. God Consciousness
7. Unity Consciousness
On 10/14/2013 11:02 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Well Tea House ...
You didn't say exactly when you were leaving but the link you provided
was enough to assay the quality. Perhaps you didn't realized that I
received training in Buddhism by Professor Alfonso Verdu. Under his
tutelage, I received extensive teachings about Yogachara/Vijñanavada,
Madhyamaka and HwaYen/Kegon.
You also don't appear to realize that my current teacher is Younge
Khachab Rimpoche VII, who is a Tibetan Khenpo-Geshe Rabjam and focuses
particularly upon classical Mahayana, four and nine level Tantra, the
Ganga Mahamudra of Tilopa/Naropa and the Dzogchen transmissions of
Vimalamitra and Longchenpa. Khachab has stayed at my house and has
been very generous with his personal teachings to me. I state it this
way so you realize that I have been over this stuff before and don’t
intend to waste time analyzing arguments by the like of Prairie Dog
Willy or your blogging-friend Kevin Whatever.
So sorry Ol' Tea House ... but the site only proffers old academic
ideas long refuted and dismissed. Perhaps it all appeared clever to
you but it only wasted my time. Glad though that you know who is and
who is not "enlightened". Perhaps you'll 'spanit to me because I do
not find illumination in your undefined idea of 'lighten-mint' - which
really only really means the /Germanic Aufklärung/.
And don't gime more of MMY's 7 states. I was trained as a TM teacher
and though it took me awhile to realize that he just made this stuff
up, I certainly don’t intend to listen to it again.
---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote:
Empty, I'm soon out of town, so no time now to give you a deserving
answer. But since you like to pontificate with the voice of RAM aka
James Swartz, I owe it to my close friend and Tiru resident
Kevinanandaji, to expose you to his satirizing him. Here, take this,
about your new found hero:
http://chi-ting.blogspot.de/search/label/James%20Swartz%20%28Ram%29
(and don't take it too serious!)
---In [email protected], <[email protected]>
wrote:
Questioner:/So you’re talking about Yoga and Vedanta to give some sort
of context to his enlightement?/
Ram:Yes.Now that Ramana is getting fame it is rather sad to see all
these Western people coming to Tiruvannamalai with absolutely no
notion of the context of his enlightenment and his life, with no
understanding of the depth of the Vedic tradition and burdened with
amazing and ill-considered views of enlightenment based on their
Ramana fantasies.
Anyway, Ramana’s type of realization, because it did not occur at the
feet of a guru in a traditional Vedantic classroom, is more in line
with the tradition of Yoga, although most yogis do not become /jnanis/
as Ramana did.His lifestyle too, sitting in meditation in a cave, is
more typical of the yogic tradition than the Vedantic.The reason
/yogis/ do not usually become /jnanis/ is because they have often been
confused by the language of Yoga into thinking of enlightenment as a
permanent experience of /samadhi./So when the experience is ‘on’ they
are not looking to understand anything, they are simply trying to make
the state permanent, /sahaja/.The joke is that enlightenment is not an
experience, nor is there any permanent experience.Furthermore, they do
not realize that to make an experience permanent one would have to be
a doer, an agent acting on the experience, maintaining it or
controlling it or staying in it … which is a dualistic state, not
enlightenment.
