Swami Bhaktivedanta, a Vedantin, enumerates the five classical states of consciousness which are similar to M:
1. Wakefulness (jagrat) 2. Dream state (svapna) 3. Deep sleep (sushupti) 4. Superconscious state (turiya) 5. Transcendent state (turiyatita) Also see: 'OM Mantra and 7 Levels of Consciousness' by Swami Jnaneshvara Bharati http://www.swamij.com/om.htm#sevenstates On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Share Long <sharelon...@yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > Richard, either 2 or 3 should be sleep state of consciousness. Can't leave > that out since maybe some people began TM to sleep better (-: > > > > On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:26 AM, Richard J. Williams < > pundits...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Apparently Vaj and emptybill are not realizing the source of > Maharishi's Seven States typology. Since emptybill is too busy gazing at > his navel, let us review what we know about MMY's seven state consciousness > typology: > > Everyone knows, Maharishi's Seven States are drawn directly from Mandukhya > Upanishad. > > According to what I've read, the 'seven states of consciousness' have > become the standard used by most gurus, teachers, and exponents of both > eastern and western spiritual and wisdom teachings and consciousness > expanding techniques, for example Swami Rama of the Himalayas. > > The Seven States typology is a well defined explanation of the different > states of consciousness humans must develop in order to reach > enlightenment. This Seven States typology is easy for TMers to understand - > I don't know why Vaj and emptybill want to confuse you and make it seem > complicated. Go figure. > > So, it's pretty obvious by now that neither emptybill nor Vaj can actually > elucidate Maharishi's 'Seven States of Consciousness', otherwise they would > have done so by now! > > So, for the benefit of some TMers and for the non-TMers on the forum, > these are the Seven States of Consciousness enumerated by the MMY: > > 1. Waking State Consciousness > 2. Dream State Consciousness > 3. Dream State Consciousness > 4. Transcendental Consciousness > 5. Cosmic Consciousness > 6. God Consciousness > 7. Unity Consciousness > > On 10/14/2013 11:02 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > Well Tea House ... > > You didn't say exactly when you were leaving but the link you provided > was enough to assay the quality. Perhaps you didn't realized that I > received training in Buddhism by Professor Alfonso Verdu. Under his > tutelage, I received extensive teachings about Yogachara/Vijñanavada, > Madhyamaka and HwaYen/Kegon. > > You also don't appear to realize that my current teacher is Younge > Khachab Rimpoche VII, who is a Tibetan Khenpo-Geshe Rabjam and focuses > particularly upon classical Mahayana, four and nine level Tantra, the Ganga > Mahamudra of Tilopa/Naropa and the Dzogchen transmissions of Vimalamitra > and Longchenpa. Khachab has stayed at my house and has been very generous > with his personal teachings to me. I state it this way so you realize that > I have been over this stuff before and don’t intend to waste time analyzing > arguments by the like of Prairie Dog Willy or your blogging-friend Kevin > Whatever. > > So sorry Ol' Tea House ... but the site only proffers old academic > ideas long refuted and dismissed. Perhaps it all appeared clever to you but > it only wasted my time. Glad though that you know who is and who is not > "enlightened". Perhaps you'll 'spanit to me because I do not find > illumination in your undefined idea of 'lighten-mint' - which really only > really means the *Germanic Aufklärung*. > > And don't gime more of MMY's 7 states. I was trained as a TM teacher and > though it took me awhile to realize that he just made this stuff up, I > certainly don’t intend to listen to it again. > > > > ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, > <no_re...@yahoogroups.com><no_re...@yahoogroups.com>wrote: > > Empty, I'm soon out of town, so no time now to give you a deserving > answer. But since you like to pontificate with the voice of RAM aka James > Swartz, I owe it to my close friend and Tiru resident Kevinanandaji, to > expose you to his satirizing him. Here, take this, about your new found > hero: http://chi-ting.blogspot.de/search/label/James%20Swartz%20%28Ram%29(and > don't take it too serious!) > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com><fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com>wrote: > > Questioner: *So you’re talking about Yoga and Vedanta to give some > sort of context to his enlightement?* > > Ram: Yes. Now that Ramana is getting fame it is rather sad to see all > these Western people coming to Tiruvannamalai with absolutely no notion of > the context of his enlightenment and his life, with no understanding of the > depth of the Vedic tradition and burdened with amazing and ill-considered > views of enlightenment based on their Ramana fantasies. > > Anyway, Ramana’s type of realization, because it did not occur at the feet > of a guru in a traditional Vedantic classroom, is more in line with the > tradition of Yoga, although most yogis do not become *jnanis* as Ramana > did. His lifestyle too, sitting in meditation in a cave, is more typical > of the yogic tradition than the Vedantic. The reason *yogis* do not > usually become *jnanis* is because they have often been confused by the > language of Yoga into thinking of enlightenment as a permanent experience > of *samadhi.* So when the experience is ‘on’ they are not looking to > understand anything, they are simply trying to make the state permanent, * > sahaja*. The joke is that enlightenment is not an experience, nor is > there any permanent experience. Furthermore, they do not realize that > to make an experience permanent one would have to be a doer, an agent > acting on the experience, maintaining it or controlling it or staying in it > … which is a dualistic state, not enlightenment. > > > > > >
