Richard, either 2 or 3 should be sleep state of consciousness. Can't leave that out since maybe some people began TM to sleep better (-:
On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:26 AM, Richard J. Williams <[email protected]> wrote: Apparently Vaj and emptybill are not realizing the source of Maharishi's Seven States typology. Since emptybill is too busy gazing at his navel, let us review what we know about MMY's seven state consciousness typology: Everyone knows, Maharishi's Seven States are drawn directly from Mandukhya Upanishad. According to what I've read, the 'seven states of consciousness' have become the standard used by most gurus, teachers, and exponents of both eastern and western spiritual and wisdom teachings and consciousness expanding techniques, for example Swami Rama of the Himalayas. The Seven States typology is a well defined explanation of the different states of consciousness humans must develop in order to reach enlightenment. This Seven States typology is easy for TMers to understand - I don't know why Vaj and emptybill want to confuse you and make it seem complicated. Go figure. So, it's pretty obvious by now that neither emptybill nor Vaj can actually elucidate Maharishi's 'Seven States of Consciousness', otherwise they would have done so by now! So, for the benefit of some TMers and for the non-TMers on the forum, these are the Seven States of Consciousness enumerated by the MMY: 1. Waking State Consciousness 2. Dream State Consciousness 3. Dream State Consciousness 4. Transcendental Consciousness 5. Cosmic Consciousness 6. God Consciousness 7. Unity Consciousness On 10/14/2013 11:02 PM, [email protected] wrote: >Well Tea House ... > > > >You didn't say exactly when you were leaving but the link you provided was >enough to assay the quality. Perhaps you didn't realized that I received >training in Buddhism by Professor Alfonso Verdu. Under his tutelage, I >received extensive teachings about Yogachara/Vijñanavada, Madhyamaka and >HwaYen/Kegon. > > > >You also don't appear to realize that my current teacher is Younge Khachab >Rimpoche VII, who is a Tibetan Khenpo-Geshe Rabjam and focuses particularly >upon classical Mahayana, four and nine level Tantra, the Ganga Mahamudra of >Tilopa/Naropa and the Dzogchen transmissions of Vimalamitra and Longchenpa. >Khachab has stayed at my house and has been very generous with his personal >teachings to me. I state it this way so you realize that I have been over this >stuff before and don’t intend to waste time analyzing arguments by the like of >Prairie Dog Willy or your blogging-friend Kevin Whatever. > > > >So sorry Ol' Tea House ... but the site only proffers old academic ideas long >refuted and dismissed. Perhaps it all appeared clever to you but it only >wasted my time. Glad though that you know who is and who is not "enlightened". >Perhaps you'll 'spanit to me because I do not find illumination in your >undefined idea of 'lighten-mint' - which really only really means the Germanic >Aufklärung. > > > >And don't gime more of MMY's 7 states. I was trained as a TM teacher and >though it took me awhile to realize that he just made this stuff up, I >certainly don’t intend to listen to it again. > > > > >---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote: > > >Empty, I'm soon out of town, so no time now to give you a deserving answer. >But since you like to pontificate with the voice of RAM aka James Swartz, I >owe it to my close friend and Tiru resident Kevinanandaji, to expose you to >his satirizing him. Here, take this, about your new found hero: >http://chi-ting.blogspot.de/search/label/James%20Swartz%20%28Ram%29 (and don't >take it too serious!) > > > >---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote: > > >Questioner: So you’re talking about Yoga and Vedanta to give some sort of >context to his enlightement? > >Ram: Yes. Now that Ramana is getting fame it is rather sad to see all these >Western people coming to Tiruvannamalai with absolutely no notion of the >context of his enlightenment and his life, with no understanding of the depth >of the Vedic tradition and burdened with amazing and ill-considered views of >enlightenment based on their Ramana fantasies. > >Anyway, Ramana’s type of realization, because it did not occur at the feet of >a guru in a traditional Vedantic classroom, is more in line with the tradition >of Yoga, although most yogis do not become jnanis as Ramana did. His >lifestyle too, sitting in meditation in a cave, is more typical of the yogic >tradition than the Vedantic. The reason yogis do not usually become jnanis is >because they have often been confused by the language of Yoga into thinking of >enlightenment as a permanent experience of samadhi. So when the experience is >‘on’ they are not looking to understand anything, they are simply trying to >make the state permanent, sahaja. The joke is that enlightenment is not an >experience, nor is there any permanent experience. Furthermore, they do not >realize that to make an experience permanent one would have to be a doer, an >agent acting on the experience, maintaining it or controlling it or staying in >it … which is a dualistic state, not enlightenment.
