--- In [email protected],  wrote:
>
> Share wrote:
>  'OTOH maybe God does want to enslave us, but only out of pure Love.'
>
>  Were I this god, I would love this; you have succumbed to the
propaganda of a tyrant.
>
>  Thomas Jefferson, an admirer of Jesus but not of much else in the
Christian Bible wrote of this god of the Torah (as the Christians
inherited the scriptures of the Jews) in rather disparaging terms:
>  'There are, I acknowledge, passages not free from objection, which we
may, with probability, ascribe to Jesus himself; but claiming indulgence
from the circumstances under which he acted. His object was the
reformation of some articles in the religion of the Jews, as taught by
Moses. That sect had presented for the object of their worship, a being
of terrific* character, cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust. Jesus,
taking for his type the best qualities of the human head and heart,
wisdom, justice, goodness, and adding to them power, ascribed all of
these, but in infinite perfection, to the Supreme Being, and formed him
really worthy of their adoration. Moses had either not believed in a
future state of existence, or had not thought it essential to be
explicitly taught to his people. Jesus inculcated that doctrine with
emphasis and precision. Moses had bound the Jews to many idle
ceremonies, mummeries and observances, of no effect towards producing
the social utilities which constitute the essence of virtue; Jesus
exposed their futility and insignificance.'
>  *meaning terror-ific - 'terrifying' in more modern language
>
>  This passage (from which the part I bolded is often quoted out of
context or modified) is from a letter Jefferson wrote to one William
Short in 1820.
>
>  ( http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/jefferson_jesus.html
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/jefferson_jesus.html
<http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/jefferson_jesus.html
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/jefferson_jesus.html>   )
>
>  One might accuse Jefferson of racism on the basis of the content of
this letter.
>
>  Jefferson was referring to the character of god in the 'Old
Testament', the Torah etc. which are a part of the Christian scriptures.
Jefferson himself made a version of the Bible where he cut out all the
tyrannical passages and mythology including the entire Old Testament,
and most of the New. He admired Jesus to the extent the character of
Jesus can be extracted from these writings, but he admired not much else
in the Bible.
>
> 
http://www.beliefnet.com/resourcelib/docs/62/The_Jefferson_Bible_The_Lif\
e__Morals_of_Jesus_of_Nazareth_1.html
http://www.beliefnet.com/resourcelib/docs/62/The_Jefferson_Bible_The_Lif\
e__Morals_of_Jesus_of_Nazareth_1.html 
<http://www.beliefnet.com/resourcelib/docs/62/The_Jefferson_Bible_The_Li\
fe__Morals_of_Jesus_of_Nazareth_1.html
http://www.beliefnet.com/resourcelib/docs/62/The_Jefferson_Bible_The_Lif\
e__Morals_of_Jesus_of_Nazareth_1.html >
>
>  Can you imagine an American President speaking like this today?

Can you imagine an American President even having the balls to try?

No one else can, either.

That's why America is considered a joke in most thinking parts of the
world.



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