--- In [email protected], "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This subject has had a lot of play here from time to time and I > thought the following quotation from the book I Reality and > Subjectivity by David Hawkins was a very suscinct answer. Page 359 > > Questioner: There is confusion about the state of enlightenment and > about the "individual" to whom it "happens" or who is it that has > become enlightened. There is a common saying that the truly > enlightened being does not "claim" to be enlightened, so that anybody > who states that they are must be in error, > > Answer: There is great difficulity in describing a condition that is > not within the experiental reality of the ego, and especially in > answering a question the asking of which stems from the dualistic > paradigm of reality of the questioner. An enlightened being *is* their > condition; thus, there is no purpose to make a 'claim'. That is an ego > view. > > The personal self does not become enlightened or transformed but > instead is assimilated, silenced, and replaced by a different > condition altogether. > **** When we discuss enlightenment the concepts we use tend to be quite confusing, because different individuals mean different things by those concepts. Based on how I understand `personal self' it doesn't go anywhere with enlightenment. What is gone is one's identification of the `I' with an image of one's personal self. In enlightenment the `I' becomes identified with the transcendental source and hence it becomes very stable in the turmoil of life. Nothing happens directly to the personality with its strengths and weaknesses. On the other hand the enlightened state of the `I' makes it much easier to work with personal issues and defects, because you can stay calm in blissful state in the emotional whirlwind and pain that regularly is part of a real healing. You must also have a personality structure that is capable of self reflection and of internally observing one's emotions and contradicting thought forms in order to be able to do transformative inner work. People can get enlightened without these inner structures. Then they tend to think they are fully perfect as they are and also superior beings. They desperately need their enlightenment to be seen, and themselves to be seen as superior, because that is their personality structure. The personal self, that cannot work with one's issues needs all the time adulation and a feeling of power to feel good about oneself. Problems are seen in the world. These people can create a lot of unnecessary havoc, but also help some in getting enlightened.
I personally think nowadays that it is probably better that people develop the inner structures mentioned above before the experience of enlightenment. Irmeli ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
