Thanks for sharing that - I never saw Charlie but I had a friend from Kentucky who was at MIU for about 8 years - he saw Charlie every time he could - he just loved those meetings. He is the one I mentioned who was present when Charlie had a little confrontation with Robin Carlsen. He also has said several times that Charlie was not too keen on Maharishi giving out the yoga sutras, but I don't know if that was something Charlie talked about in groups or more private settings. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 2/6/14, Bhairitu <[email protected]> wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Marshy Enlightened? To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, February 6, 2014, 9:47 PM I particularly recall Charlie being upset by the movement raising the price of TM to $400 (or it might have been even the hike to $128). He said since we were in a recession this was a bad business move. And indeed it resulted in fewer initiations. I missed the heyday where those who became teachers in the early 70s did 100s or even 1000s of initiations. By the time I became a teacher you would get a small group in for the intro lecture and a few of those would come back for the prep lecture including some who had heard the intro another time. Then a few of those would sign up. By then many of the teachers who had experience the larger classes needed to take jobs to survive. As for things like the stambhan (the ferry captain staring into space) that has been mentioned in books and talked about here and it was one of his favorite tales as Charlie weekend gatherings which I always attended. In Seattle there would be as many 400 people attending those and often included catered dinners. The SRM center was still a favorite hangout for many TM'ers who weren't so keen on the scientific approach and liked the more spiritual stuff. Marie Connors ran it out of her house and we had interesting group sessions. I believe she set up the Charlie Lutes lectures too. Charlie became sorta "persona non grata" with the TMO later in the 70s. BTW, in 1978 Seattle and the state of Washington had a big influx of teachers to as some kind of AE thing. Groups of governors were dispatched to communities around the state (where they almost starved to death because they didn't have money for food). Maharishi actually snuck into Seattle late in the summer for a big meeting. It was very secret because I went to the Center for the teachers meeting and no one was there. My house mate was not at home either so I inquired to some friends (also teachers) as to where he was. They had not left for the meeting with Maharishi which was being held at the Olympic hotel but told me what was up. This was all kept secret because the TMO feared he would be served with a subpoena due to the religious case going on. I left the ballroom and called some dear friends to let them know to come down to the Olympic to see MMY. Other teachers were doing the same. BTW, MMY was chatting on stage with Rabbi Levine, the uncle of a long time family friend of mine. I was not yet a governor though I had completed a phase or two of the Sidhis by being on a Citizens course which were also thrown open to teachers who didn't have time for a long course. But I was allowed into the meeting with MMY on Monday morning at a hall near the Seattle TM center. On 02/06/2014 12:09 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Please tell more about both these things: (Charlie's stories I mean) I also muse at the stories even heard personally from Charlie Lutes about MMY's used of stambhan (actually not very hard to do). The real mistake was the profiteering of TM which Charlie expressed concerns about at our teacher's meetings with him. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 2/6/14, Bhairitu <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Marshy Enlightened? To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, February 6, 2014, 8:04 PM FWIW, I believe that MMY was once asked what happened if a crook became enlightened and he responded they would become an enlightened crook. My tantra guru samskaras don't necessarily all burn away with enlightenment. That's the deeper meaning of "chopping wood and carrying water." When I was around MMY he did indeed illicit a great amount of shakti and I could easily see the celestial glow around. He would have been a pretty lousy monk to not have achieved some enlightenment during his years at the math. I also muse at the stories even heard personally from Charlie Lutes about MMY's used of stambhan (actually not very hard to do). The real mistake was the profiteering of TM which Charlie expressed concerns about at our teacher's meetings with him. On 02/06/2014 10:59 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Everyone says Marshy never claimed to be enlightened, yet - "Maharishi said that the walls of this celebrated building--set in a perfect Vastu garden with fountains and flowers and the flags of all the countries--in no way enclose his unbounded cosmic awareness, allowing him to focus and infuse Brahmi Chetana--the light of Total Knowledge--into the life of every nation and the destiny of the human race at this very crucial time of global transformation." http://www.globalgoodnews.com/health-news-a.html?art=1181073654230287
