I do seem to recall Charlie being ambivalent about the Sidhis at teacher
meeting.
On 02/06/2014 04:20 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
Thanks for sharing that - I never saw Charlie but I had a friend from
Kentucky who was at MIU for about 8 years - he saw Charlie every time
he could - he just loved those meetings. He is the one I mentioned who
was present when Charlie had a little confrontation with Robin
Carlsen. He also has said several times that Charlie was not too keen
on Maharishi giving out the yoga sutras, but I don't know if that was
something Charlie talked about in groups or more private settings.
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On Thu, 2/6/14, Bhairitu <noozg...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Marshy Enlightened?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 6, 2014, 9:47 PM
I particularly
recall Charlie being
upset by the movement raising the price of TM to $400
(or it might
have been even the hike to $128). He said since we
were in a
recession this was a bad business move. And indeed
it resulted in
fewer initiations. I missed the heyday where those
who became
teachers in the early 70s did 100s or even 1000s of
initiations.
By the time I became a teacher you would get a small
group in for
the intro lecture and a few of those would come back
for the prep
lecture including some who had heard the intro another
time. Then
a few of those would sign up. By then many of the
teachers who
had experience the larger classes needed to take jobs
to survive.
As for things like the stambhan (the ferry captain
staring into
space) that has been mentioned in books and talked
about here and
it was one of his favorite tales as Charlie weekend
gatherings
which I always attended. In Seattle there would be
as many 400
people attending those and often included catered
dinners. The
SRM center was still a favorite hangout for many
TM'ers who
weren't so keen on the scientific approach and
liked the more
spiritual stuff. Marie Connors ran it out of her
house and we had
interesting group sessions. I believe she set up the
Charlie
Lutes lectures too.
Charlie became sorta "persona non grata"
with the TMO later in the
70s.
BTW, in 1978 Seattle and the state of Washington had a
big influx
of teachers to as some kind of AE thing. Groups of
governors were
dispatched to communities around the state (where they
almost
starved to death because they didn't have money
for food).
Maharishi actually snuck into Seattle late in the
summer for a big
meeting. It was very secret because I went to the
Center for the
teachers meeting and no one was there. My house mate
was not at
home either so I inquired to some friends (also
teachers) as to
where he was. They had not left for the meeting with
Maharishi
which was being held at the Olympic hotel but told me
what was
up. This was all kept secret because the TMO feared
he would be
served with a subpoena due to the religious case going
on. I left
the ballroom and called some dear friends to let them
know to come
down to the Olympic to see MMY. Other teachers were
doing the
same. BTW, MMY was chatting on stage with Rabbi
Levine, the uncle
of a long time family friend of mine.
I was not yet a governor though I had completed a
phase or two of
the Sidhis by being on a Citizens course which were
also thrown
open to teachers who didn't have time for a long
course. But I
was allowed into the meeting with MMY on Monday
morning at a hall
near the Seattle TM center.
On 02/06/2014 12:09 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
Please tell more about both these things:
(Charlie's
stories I mean)
I also muse at the stories even heard
personally from
Charlie Lutes about MMY's used of stambhan
(actually not
very hard to do).
The real mistake was the profiteering of TM
which Charlie
expressed concerns about at our teacher's
meetings with
him.
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On Thu, 2/6/14, Bhairitu <noozg...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Marshy
Enlightened?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 6, 2014, 8:04 PM
FWIW, I believe
that MMY was once asked
what happened if a crook became enlightened
and he
responded they
would become an enlightened crook. My
tantra
guru samskaras don't
necessarily all burn away with
enlightenment.
That's the deeper
meaning of "chopping wood and carrying
water."
When I was around MMY he did indeed illicit a
great
amount of
shakti and I could easily see the celestial
glow
around. He would
have been a pretty lousy monk to not have
achieved
some
enlightenment during his years at the math.
I
also muse at the
stories even heard personally from Charlie
Lutes about
MMY's used
of stambhan (actually not very hard to do).
The real mistake was the profiteering of TM
which
Charlie
expressed concerns about at our teacher's
meetings
with him.
On 02/06/2014 10:59 AM, Michael Jackson
wrote:
Everyone says Marshy never claimed to be
enlightened,
yet -
"Maharishi said
that the walls of this celebrated
building--set in a
perfect Vastu garden with fountains and
flowers and
the flags of all the countries--in no way
enclose his
unbounded cosmic awareness,
allowing him to
focus and infuse Brahmi Chetana--the light
of Total
Knowledge--into the life of every nation
and the
destiny of the human race at this very
crucial time of
global transformation."
http://www.globalgoodnews.com/health-news-a.html?art=1181073654230287
