On Oct 12, 2005, at 4:02 PM, akasha_108 wrote: > Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Oct 12, 2005, at 2:10 PM, akasha_108 wrote: >> >> >>> Enlightenment, connates, to me at least, an endpoint. >>> >> >> Hmmm. Never got that., although unimpeded omniscience might seem >> > that way. > > > Well it you may have a broader view than many. Why label some initial > state with a high falutin term like "enlightenment". It never made > sense to me.
Nor me. My lingering question having been a youngster when I started TM--as I strongly suspected we weren't being given the full picture-- was what did others have to say? Seven states of Consciousness? The Self resting in the Self? Eventually you get the answers. Look deep enough and you get the experiences too, not stuck on some initial experiences of clarity or bliss or the elements relaxing or calm or movement or presence. > Maybe call it "first light" or "groggy, but eyes are > open" or "ascended above sea level" or "less localized" (instead of > "cosmic") or "release from prison to a half-way house with ankle > braclet" instead of "liberation". Yeah I remember after learning Sanskrit trying to find out what all the *real* words were for all the TM buzzwords and experiences. "Cosmic Consciousness" wasn't that cosmic at all, how disappointing and how enlightening. All it really means is "Beyond the Fourth". It was interesting after TM daze to hang out with yogis who had profound experiential knowledge and seeing all these students who thought they were enlightened. A real learning experience. > >> But even Rainbow body is a beginning since they have the ability to >> divide into tens of thousands of different manifestations, all >> capable of incarnating or affecting other dimensions--and not >> necessarily within linear time. >> > > Yes. My point about the Rainbow Body was not that it is an endpoint, > but that it is so far beyond the "no I" or other such "experiences" -- > that its silly to think one has reached the pinnacle of human > development when they have that experience. "First light", "groggy, > but eyes are open" or "less localized" does not a Rainbow Body > immediately make(eth). > > > >> One person I spoke to on retreat a number of years ago claimed that >> M. did a lecture on the "absolute body" based on the cognitions of >> Brighu rishi where he described these various bodies. I wish someone >> would present a transcript--which used to circulate. >> > > > I heard the Brighu lectures. At least some. If I am recalling > correctly, this was part of the discussions of immortality. A main > point was that a state could be reached where the body just keeps > renewing itself, and keeps changing. > > Which appears at least plausible given the knoweldge modern genetics > -- where there appear to be genes that at a certain age, turn off the > body's cells ability to continually rejuvinate -- and thus one gets > older and finally, as renewel gets too sluggish, dies. If the "normal" > continuously renewing ability of cells could be maintained, the body > could last much longer if not "forever". I posted an article on rats > where this has been done -- to a degree. Yeah we had talked at little bit about aglets and the new research on that. Ultimately IMO, something has to give. You may extend life to several hundred years but it now appears the downside to this is you will simply digest time more slowly. You will move very slowly under that type of life extension. The Naths had better ideas which even Marco Polo got to see. > > The key was changing , changing changing. And M. emphasized "if we > don't mind this "changing , changing changing" forever happening > happening". To me it implied some pretty different and unexpected > forms could be "changed" into. > > M. mentioned Vyasa, for whom "there is no record of his dropping his > body". He played aronnd the edges of terming Vyasa an immortal. And > being still here on earth. Himalayas I think was alluded to. My Patanjali guru said there were at least six "Vyasas". Different people. Under Vaishnava influence, many works were attributed to Vyasa which never were his--most notably Badarayana. > > Soma was part of the story I think. Oh ok. This sounds like it is part of the triple hut retreat thing (which was talked of but never materialized). > > Someone on an India course asked, perhaps after a similar lecture, why > saints like Vyasa didn't visit? M. said something about such persons > would not visit a groups so unclean. Not a dis on the group, but more > an indication of the purity of the immortals. > > I assume Baba-ji, of Yoganada stories, is an immortal like Vyasa. As > many possible residents of deep areas of himalayas and other places. IIRC "Babaji" is "Goraknath" or an emanation thereof. The Naths were into the whole immortality trip. > And ties to christ's "resurrection of the body" theme. Some in India / > Tibet say Jesus came there after the cross. I heard it was in the missing early, pre-saviour years, before the first book tour :-). Seriously, that place is in Kashmir. > Perhaps he became an > imortal and this explains, to a degree, the experiences of his > presence and the whole Big Thing in Christianity about resurrection. Yes, very possibly. Adepts who attain Jalus can appear as what might seem totally tangible physical bodies across time long after their "physical" bodies have gone--and they can appear any age, child or adult. Call it the "saviour effect" :-). ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. 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