I know you don't hate me but you still attribute my motivation to an erroneous assumption as to why I do what I do and since I have corrected that assumption in past posts and you still assume it, I won't address it again.
________________________________ From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another suicide in FF ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : Thanks Barry - and I will add, again, that on the Remembering Serenity facebook page, dedicated to the siddha lady who took her own life last year, a former MUM student posted this: . ever since I was a student at MUM (I started in 2008) students have requested this dialog and attempted to organize events, but were shut down repeatedly and with benign intentions to "protect our consciousness" (actual policy wording) . So Ann, Feste, Steve and Buck, ignore, defend, and make excuses all you like, revile me all you like but these TM suicides have been around since the 1960's and they aren't gonna go away. Talk to some of the people who were on the old course where heavy unstressing was rampant and see if you can get the idea that maybe TM DOES have effects that can lead to extreme consequences. MJ, I don't revile you and that's because I simply don't care about TM and the Movement. I just think that you are far too simplistic in your arguments and that you carry around an inordinate amount of grudge for your mistreatment at the hands of certain assholes who treated you like dirt while working at MIU. That you have made it your life's mission to continue to carry the banner of "TM is a Sham" is sort of silly to me, but then it's your life. Nevertheless, that's my opinion but I hardly hate you for it. I was talking on the phone last night to a former MIU staff and student friend who was telling me about his friend Brian Henchcliff who killed himself back in the 80's. It won't go away because you don't like me bringing it up. Like I said too many times already (and here is where your simplistic interpretation of the promises of TM lie) people, no matter what they do for a living, what meditation they practice, what cereal they eat in the morning or what aftershave they use will still, statistically, fall prey to mishap, disease, psychiatric troubles and death. Apparently at one time you believed all that TM supposedly promised and are now disappointed, seemingly, because you thought by doing TM you would live forever, never become diseased or ever trip on a crack in the sidewalk because every law of nature would be at your beck and call. Okaaaay. ________________________________ From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another suicide in FF I've been staying out of this, and will continue to do so, but I have to point out the eagerness with which several people have pounced on the brain injury/coma thing. It's almost as if you can feel them relax and say to themselves, "Whew! There is some kind of *excuse* that I can glom onto so that I don't have to deal with the possibility that this is yet another in a rather long list of TM movement suicides, and thus a potential source of cognitive dissonance for me. It's good to have this excuse, so I don't have to 'go there'." >From my staying-out-of-it-so-far point of view Michael is not overreacting to >Yet Another Suicide by implying that it is linked with TM any more than >several others here are knee-jerk overreacting to the same suicide by implying >that it is not. It is absolutely LUDICROUS to pretend that TM has not promised >a world and a society in which problems simply cannot happen. It is similarly LUDICROUS to pretend that anyone who does develop emotional problems within a TM-only community will be provided adequate mental health care for them. It has never happened and it will never happen, because providing the care in the first place will be perceived by those in charge as "having doubts" about TM being the panacea they believe it is. ________________________________ From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 6:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another suicide in FF Michael, to the rest of the world, the fact that he sustained a serious brain injury two years ago, puts the whole issue in a different light, whether you wish to acknowledge this or not. You have amply demonstrated that you are capable of tying TM to most any negative event, whether it makes sense or not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : Given the fact that it comes about a year after another siddha suicide and on the heels of many other suicides and attempted suicides by siddhas and governors, I think the whole thing needs to be looked at squarely and honestly. I won't be silenced about this. Of all the crap there is about the disconnect between what Marshy and the Movement advertise and the reality of what they and TM actually deliver, this bother me the most. If you don't want to deal with it Feste, then don't, but I won't be silent about this. ________________________________ From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 10:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another suicide in FF The post from Sheer-el from when he was an MSAE student was about 10 years ago, I think. He did suffer a serious injury about two years ago. He was in a coma for a while, I believe. I did hear that it was some kind of brain injury. I wonder if that injury affected him in some way that no one knew about. This is a tragedy for the family and for Fairfield. I do think that people should not use it on this board to push their anti-TM views. It's not appropriate, particularly as we know nothing of the circumstances in this case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <geezerfreak@...> wrote : >>>> >>>>Sheer-el Cohen. He was employed at the Raj. Apparently this happened >>>>yesterday. >>>> >>>> >>>>http://www.8000now.com/audiotext/Sheer-elCohenText.htm >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
