--- In [email protected], "Irmeli Mattsson" > I have had very easy to relate to Ken Wilber's thinking and > descriptions and conceptual way of expressing himself from the very first moment I encountered his writings a few years ago. I mean I can in his descriptions recognize my own subjective reality, but not in Peter's descriptions. > > I just read from the newest issue of "What is Enlightenment" from the Ken Wilber and Andrew Cohen Dialogue a very good description that pretty well describes my own conscious inner reality. > > Quote: > "Wilber: Moment to moment there is this ever-present is-ness, and yet as soon as you locate yourself in it, there is an `I'. > Cohen: Yes. The minute you locate yourself, the whole world appears. > Wilber: Exactly. As soon as there is an `I', there is an it or an > object, and then there is a `we'; there is some resonance with some > other subjectivity someplace". > > Wilber explains also a little bit further in the text: "When you are > in a causal, or nondual, open-eyes, ever-present, non-effort state, an I arises that is an authentic self."
> I hope this helps to clarify, what I have been trying to communicate. > > Irmeli I like the Wilbur stuff I have read (actually "listened to" on tapes.) But he made a clear distinction on one tape, per a question, that he does not experience "the non-dual state" permanently. It comes and goes. That may explain, partly, the first diologue. At least it helped me "translate" what other things he was saying on the tapes. In some ways, Tolle talks in the same way -- of "space consiousness" and then being pulled back into "object consciousness". Its not clear to me if that is his current experience, or if he is discribing his initial experiences and using that to help "transition" others along. I thnk it is the latter. But its not clear to me from the several books of his I have "listened" to. > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
