--- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], akasha_108 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > <snip>
> > > > > So when separate models are used to predict crime, distinct 
> > from the
> > > > > intervention model, its unconventional. Its not needed, 
unless 
> > there
> > > > > were severe data problems. Doing so weakens the predictive 
> > power of
> > > > > the model(s).
> > > > > 
> > > > > There is nothing in the data issues, at first glance, that 
> > suggest 
> > > > > why multiple, models were used.
> > > > 
> > > > I have no idea what you're talking about when you
> > > > refer to "multiple models."  I never said anything
> > > > about multiple models.
> > >  
> > > see adjacent post in my response to LBS.
> > 
> > Doesn't help.
> 
> So you still hold ony one model was used?

I said:  "I have no idea what you're talking about when
you refer to 'multiple models.'  I never said anything
about multiple models."

> You said it was an ARIMA model, so it was a multivariate AR
> IMA model that controlled for weather and croime factor variables?

I suggest you restrict your questions to those you
think I might be able to answer.  Saves time and
space.

> > > > You seem to say the prediction based on past trends
> > > > was unnecessary; but then to what do you compare the
> > > > actual crime rate during the period to determine
> > > > whether and how much it's been affected?
> > > 
> > > If it was a short term model, then crime rates would be compared
> to the pre course "one month"* and the post course "one month". 
These
> would be control periods (not necessarily good ones, but thats
> another story.)
> > 
> > They didn't do that because they wanted to control
> > for seasonal variations.
> 
> So why did they have a pre and post period?

??  Why not?

> > > If they had the pre and post periods, why did they need the "5 
year"
> > > (or what ever longer term model) to estimate the crime rate 
without
> > > intervention? They had the "control" periods, pre and post. They
> > > didn't need to estimate a non-intervention period.
> > 
> > Pre and post aren't "control" periods because they
> > take place at *different times of the year*.
> 
> So they did not use pre and post periods?

OK, you don't want to discuss this in good faith,
for some reason.

Forget it.






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