BTW, it looks as if Salyavin was correct about the way this "The Principle"
video was made, with the producers misleading the "experts" and even (see quote
that follows from Wikipedia) the narrator as to what the nature of the show
they were producing was.
I happen to know the producer of the "What the Bleep..." videos, and know that
they were made the same way, with the producers lying to the supposed onscreen
"scientists" and "experts" about what their film/agenda was really about, and
then taking their actual comments completely out of context within the film
itself. This is the sort of garbage that JohnR feels is authoritative. What a
wanker...
Claims
Following the release of the film's trailer, narrator Kate Mulgrew said that
she was misinformed as to the purpose of the documentary.[7][8] Max Tegmark
claims that DeLano "cleverly tricked a whole bunch of us scientists
into thinking that they were independent filmmakers doing an ordinary
cosmology documentary, without mentioning anything about their hidden
agenda."[9] George Ellis has said that "I was interviewed for it but they did
not disclose this
agenda, which of course is nonsense. I don't think it's worth responding to --
it just gives them publicity. To ignore is the best policy. But
for the record, I totally disavow that silly agenda."[9] Michio Kaku said that
the film was likely "clever editing" of his statements and bordered on
"intellectual dishonesty"[2] and Lawrence Krauss said he had no recollection of
being interviewed
for the film and would have refused to be in it if he had known more
about it.[10][11] Julian Barbour claims he never gave permission to be in the
film.
The Principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Principle is a 2014 American documentary film produced by Rick Delano and
Robert Sungenis questioning the Copernican principle and discussing
geocentricism. The film opened in Chicago on October 24, 2014. The film is
narrated by Kate Mulgrew and features scientists such ...
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From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Mars had Life
Heh. I knew you'd love this BS, jr. It's right up your alley, *including*
attempts to redefine the universe as Earth-centric. It's like New Age
Self-Importance Meets Medieval Cosmology Re-expressed As Woo Woo Physics. :-)
You seem to be under the impression, however, that we actually CARE about what
YOU believe. I can't speak for Sal, but given the way that you've demonstrated
your mind works over the years on this forum, nothing you believe could
*possibly* interest me. Therefore I'll let you find the "real video" and report
on it here to those as gullible as yourself. :-)
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From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Mars had Life
Salyavin and Barry,
Both of you have jumped to conclusions, which is very typical with the way you
think, about the content of this video. As you have seen, the video is only a
teaser or excerpt of the real video--which you have not seen.
Therefore, you've made criticism about something you don't know anything about
and have assumed what the content of the video is. Both of you are not
rational. You are delusional.
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Gosh, that might really ruined
Salyavin's day. :-D
Why? They possibly found life there in the 70's but they landed the rover in
the wrong place and two of the three experiments they had on board to test for
life weren't designed for the terrain they found themselves in.
The one experiment that possibly did find life was discounted as they did it on
a majority vote. All expeditions to Mars since then have worked on the basis
that there is no life and they haven't repeated the original experiments to
make sure.
Why would discovering life anywhere ruin my day? I can't work that bit out.
You aren't going to get anywhere by asking questions of John, Sal. As I've
pointed out many times and as you yourself have noticed, no possibility of
actual dialogue exists with someone who is as gullible, feeble-minded, devoid
of reasoning skills, and convinced of the Absolute Truth of the silly things he
believes as he is. He's the kinda guy who would actually *believe* the
horseshit in this video I found on FB:
The Principle | Facebook
The Principle | Facebook
Why are leading atheists freaking out about this new documentary? Why are they
trying to hide the evidence?
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You'll love this, Salyavin. You thought that *Hagelin* misuses science to
present hokum as if it were science? Wait until you watch *these* supposed
"scientists" jump through hoops to "prove" their notion of a God in this
astounding exercise in self-importance. They're actually trying to go back in
time to the notion of an Earth-centric universe.
Wow, it's a bit of a deliberately bombastic explosion of insinuation. I think
there's a lot of out-of-context quotes here, and also a lot of media scientists
with books to plug who probably didn't know they were being co-opted into some
sort of religious thing.
What I like the most, however, is the
notion of "leading atheists" freaking out that someone came up with in the
teaser line for this video. What on earth do they think constitutes "leading
atheists?" Do they think we
non-theists have *contests* in which we sit around competing for first
place, shouting "No, *I* believe less in the Invisible Man In The Sky
than you do!?" :-)
I don't know what evidence they are supposed to be hiding! It's pretty obvious
this is an amazing place - possibly the only place with sentient life anywhere,
that makes it special to me, but is there a religious principle behind it? I
don't think so, and I'd be surprised if some of the scientists on there I
recognised thought so. It's a poor physicist that concludes there is a god just
because they don't have an immediate answer for something. It's easier than
thinking for sure but accepting magic as an explanation isn't what they're paid
for!
I suspect that the makers of this video have edited it highly suggestively and
creatively. Just like people did with the recent NDE research and just about
everything else I come across on the net. The conspiracy gathers pace!
But that's JohnR to a T, just another irrational theist imagining a "gotcha" in
some imaginary battle against atheists that's happening only inside his own
head. *Just* as he did when he hoped that his silly hokum about Mars would
"ruin your day."
Oh, I think that was Bhairitu! He must have misunderstood me if he wants egg on
my face....
Yes.
On 11/04/2014 03:30 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>
>The NASA chief also claimed it may have life now.
It appears that NASA is about to make an official
statement regarding its findings on Mars based on data
from the rovers. Stay tuned.
>
>
>http://www.examiner.com/article/mars-did-and-might-have-life-says-nasa-boss
>
