BTW, it looks as if Salyavin was correct about the way this "The Principle" 
video was made, with the producers misleading the "experts" and even (see quote 
that follows from Wikipedia) the narrator as to what the nature of the show 
they were producing was. 

I happen to know the producer of the "What the Bleep..." videos, and know that 
they were made the same way, with the producers lying to the supposed onscreen 
"scientists" and "experts" about what their film/agenda was really about, and 
then taking their actual comments completely out of context within the film 
itself.  This is the sort of garbage that JohnR feels is authoritative. What a 
Following the release of the film's trailer, narrator Kate Mulgrew said that 
she was misinformed as to the purpose of the documentary.[7][8] Max Tegmark 
claims that DeLano "cleverly tricked a whole bunch of us scientists 
into thinking that they were independent filmmakers doing an ordinary 
cosmology documentary, without mentioning anything about their hidden 
agenda."[9] George Ellis has said that "I was interviewed for it but they did 
not disclose this 
agenda, which of course is nonsense. I don't think it's worth responding to -- 
it just gives them publicity. To ignore is the best policy. But 
for the record, I totally disavow that silly agenda."[9] Michio Kaku said that 
the film was likely "clever editing" of his statements and bordered on 
"intellectual dishonesty"[2] and Lawrence Krauss said he had no recollection of 
being interviewed 
for the film and would have refused to be in it if he had known more 
about it.[10][11] Julian Barbour claims he never gave permission to be in the 

The Principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Principle is a 2014 American documentary film produced by Rick Delano and 
Robert Sungenis questioning the Copernican principle and discussing 
geocentricism. The film opened in Chicago on October 24, 2014. The film is 
narrated by Kate Mulgrew and features scientists such ...  
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 From: "TurquoiseBee [FairfieldLife]" 
To: "" <> 
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Mars had Life

Heh. I knew you'd love this BS, jr. It's right up your alley, *including* 
attempts to redefine the universe as Earth-centric. It's like New Age 
Self-Importance Meets Medieval Cosmology Re-expressed As Woo Woo Physics.  :-)

You seem to be under the impression, however, that we actually CARE about what 
YOU believe. I can't speak for Sal, but given the way that you've demonstrated 
your mind works over the years on this forum, nothing you believe could 
*possibly* interest me. Therefore I'll let you find the "real video" and report 
on it here to those as gullible as yourself.  :-)

 From: " [FairfieldLife]" <>
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Mars had Life

Salyavin and Barry,

Both of you have jumped to conclusions, which is very typical with the way you 
think, about the content of this video.  As you have seen, the video is only a 
teaser or excerpt of the real video--which you have not seen.

Therefore, you've made criticism about something you don't know anything about 
and have assumed what the content of the video is.  Both of you are not 
rational.  You are delusional.

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---In, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :

From: salyavin808 <>

---In, <noozguru@...> wrote :

Gosh, that might really ruined
Salyavin's day. :-D 

Why? They possibly found life there in the 70's but they landed the rover in 
the wrong place and two of the three experiments they had on board to test for 
life weren't designed for the terrain they found themselves in.

The one experiment that possibly did find life was discounted as they did it on 
a majority vote. All expeditions to Mars since then have worked on the basis 
that there is no life and they haven't repeated the original experiments to 
make sure.

Why would discovering life anywhere ruin my day? I can't work that bit out.

You aren't going to get anywhere by asking questions of John, Sal. As I've 
pointed out many times and as you yourself have noticed, no possibility of 
actual dialogue exists with someone who is as gullible, feeble-minded, devoid 
of reasoning skills, and convinced of the Absolute Truth of the silly things he 
believes as he is. He's the kinda guy who would actually *believe* the 
horseshit in this video I found on FB:

The Principle | Facebook

The Principle | Facebook
Why are leading atheists freaking out about this new documentary? Why are they 
trying to hide the evidence?  
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 You'll love this, Salyavin. You thought that *Hagelin* misuses science to 
present hokum as if it were science? Wait until you watch *these* supposed 
"scientists" jump through hoops to "prove" their notion of a God in this 
astounding exercise in self-importance. They're actually trying to go back in 
time to the notion of an Earth-centric universe. 

Wow, it's a bit of a deliberately bombastic explosion of insinuation. I think 
there's a lot of out-of-context quotes here, and also a lot of media scientists 
with books to plug who probably didn't know they were being co-opted into some 
sort of religious thing.

What I like the most, however, is the
notion of "leading atheists" freaking out that someone came up with in the 
teaser line for this video. What on earth do they think constitutes "leading 
atheists?" Do they think we
non-theists have *contests* in which we sit around competing for first
place, shouting "No, *I* believe less in the Invisible Man In The Sky
than you do!?" :-)

I don't know what evidence they are supposed to be hiding! It's pretty obvious 
this is an amazing place - possibly the only place with sentient life anywhere, 
that makes it special to me, but is there a religious principle behind it? I 
don't think so, and I'd be surprised if some of the scientists on there I 
recognised thought so. It's a poor physicist that concludes there is a god just 
because they don't have an immediate answer for something. It's easier than 
thinking for sure but accepting magic as an explanation isn't what they're paid 

I suspect that the makers of this video have edited it highly suggestively and 
creatively. Just like people did with the recent NDE research and just about 
everything else I come across on the net. The conspiracy gathers pace!

But that's JohnR to a T, just another irrational theist imagining a "gotcha" in 
some imaginary battle against atheists that's happening only inside his own 
head. *Just* as he did when he hoped that his silly hokum about Mars would 
"ruin your day." 

Oh, I think that was Bhairitu! He must have misunderstood me if he wants egg on 
my face....


On 11/04/2014 03:30 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>The NASA chief also claimed it may have life now.
 It appears that NASA is about to make an official
statement regarding its findings on Mars based on data
from the rovers.  Stay tuned.

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