On Nov 21, 2005, at 11:42 AM, sparaig wrote:

--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




On Nov 21, 2005, at 10:11 AM, authfriend wrote:


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I *think* what you're describing is not turiya but an

integrated state, what TM would call "witnessing," in

meditation.  But then your comment above that I wasn't

describing turiya makes no sense.



You seem to be confusing the fourth pranayama with turiya. The 


fourth  


pranayama is not taught in TM.




True, but perhaps it can be interpreted that the "fourth pranayama" 

converges to what TMers call "transcendental consciousness" since the 

description of "Breath suspension" during TM's "pure consciousness" 

state seems to be identical to descriptions of the fourth pranayama.


That experience is a helpful prerequisite for learning the fourth pranayama.



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