--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > However, it is possible that the "logic" of one > state of > consciousness may not be able to evaluate the logic > of another. Skip > Alexiander used to make an analogy between > enlightenment and Piaget's > stages of development. > > You can *explain* that tall, thin glasses and short, > fat cylinders > cups hold the same amount of water all day long to a > very young child > and they won't accept it as making sense, even when > you show > them. "It's some kind of trick" was my own > comment... I think Skip (too bad he's dead, I liked him) got it right using Piaget's stages of cognitive development as a model to understand waking state cognition vs cognition in Realization. As Piaget points out there is a qualitative difference between the cognitive stages that can not be bridged (at least from earlier to later). There is such a foundational shift in self/world from waking state to Realization that it becomes very difficult to explain the "experience" of Realization. It is almost always misunderstood because many of the concepts of Realization have no meaning in waking state, but the waking state mind doesn't know that. I always talk about No-Self and try to explain it, but I get all sorts of flack because it just doesn't make any sense in waking state. I realize, you just can't make an end-run around someone's state of consciousness/experiencing. Kind of like Tookie William's sociopathic personality structure making it absolutely impossible for him to admit to the murders he commited because it meant that he would loose control. He'd rather die than loose manipulative control. People see the world as they are and have a difficult time seeing the world as they aren't (duh!). What strikes me as odd in these discussions is the degree of hostility. Why do people get so pissed-off if someone talks about some sort of Realization experience? > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or > someone you know. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
