--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > However, it is possible that the "logic" of one > > state of > > consciousness may not be able to evaluate the logic > > of another. Skip > > Alexiander used to make an analogy between > > enlightenment and Piaget's > > stages of development. > > > > You can *explain* that tall, thin glasses and short, > > fat cylinders > > cups hold the same amount of water all day long to a > > very young child > > and they won't accept it as making sense, even when > > you show > > them. "It's some kind of trick" was my own > > comment... > > I think Skip (too bad he's dead, I liked him) got it > right using Piaget's stages of cognitive development > as a model to understand waking state cognition vs > cognition in Realization. As Piaget points out there > is a qualitative difference between the cognitive > stages that can not be bridged (at least from earlier > to later). There is such a foundational shift in > self/world from waking state to Realization that it > becomes very difficult to explain the "experience" of > Realization. It is almost always misunderstood because > many of the concepts of Realization have no meaning in > waking state, but the waking state mind doesn't know > that. I always talk about No-Self and try to explain > it, but I get all sorts of flack because it just > doesn't make any sense in waking state. I realize, you > just can't make an end-run around someone's state of > consciousness/experiencing. Kind of like Tookie > William's sociopathic personality structure making it > absolutely impossible for him to admit to the murders > he commited because it meant that he would loose > control. He'd rather die than loose manipulative > control. People see the world as they are and have a > difficult time seeing the world as they aren't (duh!).
> What strikes me as odd in these discussions is the > degree of hostility. Why do people get so pissed-off > if someone talks about some sort of Realization > experience? > Fear, plain and simple. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
