--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
>  --- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > This subtle, celestial stuff is absolutely,
> > > incredibly, charming, fascinating, mind-blowing when
> > > it opens-up, but  it really has nothing to do with
> > > Realization. Like the TM-siddhis, the value is in the
> > > practice of samayama, not in the attainment of a
> > > particular siddhi itself. That really doesn't mean
> > > anything in the context of Realization. Talking to the
> > > diety of your mantra is like talking to the bus driver
> > > who's taking you someplace. Fascinating guy, but
> > > nothing to do with your destination.
> 
> I've always felt that a fascination with subtle
> phenomena like this was just an indication of
> lack of experiences of realization. If one never
> gets to one's destination, one gets fascinated 
> by the silly tourist attractions along the way.
>
Its also a matter of perspective. Prior to Realization, I was mostly 
an unhappy person- yep I admit it, after nearly thirty years of 
meditation...So when these special experiences occurred, I clung to 
them to boost my faith, and as life preservers in a raging sea of my 
own making. 

Then when I turned inside out, the experiences that were so special 
in an isolated and linear way, were still special, only now on the 
backdrop of everyday magnificence.





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