--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > on 1/2/06 9:28 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Different cultures define "caring" in different ways. The 
> TMO's
> > > > > founder is Hindu, and charity work isn't always the top of 
> the 
> > list
> > > > > for Hindus, I guess due to the reincarnation/karma thing.
> > > > 
> > > > Amma's a Hindu, and it's at the top of her list. Karunamayi 
is 
> a 
> > > Hindu. She
> > > > too sets up hospitals, schools, etc. Gandhi was a Hindu. The 
> list 
> > > goes on.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > When you've got the answer to all of life's problems (i.e. TM), 
> why 
> > > waste your precious time setting up hospitals and stuff like 
> that?
> > > 
> > > And I'm not trying to be glib here.  Assuming for the moment 
> that 
> > you 
> > > accept the premise that TM is everything it is claimed to be, 
> why 
> > > waste precious and limited resources on charity work like 
> schools 
> > and 
> > > food banks?
> > > 
> > > Indeed, I would make the argument that the TMO is wasting 
> precious 
> > > resources with side issues like Vastu, Yagyas, NLP, etc. when 
> > you've 
> > > got limited time, money and man power and you've got the 
> solution --
> >  
> > > TM -- primed and ready to get to the world's people...
> > >
> > 
> > The NLP was relatively free publicity for TM. It also got 
> manypeople 
> > off their duffs and working in the real world. Wasn't a bad use 
of 
> > limited resources in the long run, I think. The New Age 
community, 
> > for instance, still reveres John Hagelin for running for 
President 
> of 
> > the USA on the Enlightenment Ticket.
> >
> 
> Not only do I feel the NLP was a complete waste of TM but it 
> whittled away what little credibility the TMO had left.
> 
> Look, the NLP being a political party, by definition, had to take 
> political and policy stands on the whole range of issues that 
affect 
> the societies and countries they ran candidates in: health care, 
> abortion, gun control, capitalism versus socialism, etc. etc.
> 
> Once you take positions on all of those things you are, in effect, 
> adopting a philosophy, a way of looking at the world and, indeed, 
> putting yourself at opposition to those in other parties that hold 
> differing views on those matters.
> 
> Being a philosophy violates that basic tenet of TM that it is 
> neither a religion or a philosophy.  TM is supposed to be for 
> everybody: capitalists or communists, Democrats or Republicans, 
Left 
> or Right.  Once you take positions on things, you are bound to piss 
> off those that are on the other side of the spectrum from you.
> 
> So when you announce to the world that TM is not a philosophy and 
> then, after holding onto and practising that tenet for 30 years of 
> your existence, abandon it and start BEING a philosophy, people 
> notice.  And you lose credibility.
> 
> That's why the NLP was a horrible disaster for the TMO.  They 
should 
> NEVER have done it, it was wrong, and it was just another nail in 
> the coffin of what was once a great movement.
>

The basic philosophy of the NLP, as presented by John Hagelin, was: 
use what works. 

In other words, use the results of scientific research, where 
possible, to evaluate what policies might be sensible in the first 
place rather than deciding what makes sense on some philosophical 
basis like Pure Capitalism vs Pure Communism, or conservative vs 
liberal, etc., and then attempt to justify your philosophical beliefs 
by cherry-picking what research you look at.

If you think that this core message, no matter how poorly 
implemented, discredits John and company, well tough shit.






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