--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > See Vaj's post about frames of reference. Somehow > > > you've managed to confuse at least two different ones. > > I believe Vaj is referring to observational points of reference. > Indeed one has a different view from earth, the sun or the pole star. > > I am using a constant observational frame of reference with respect to > VE and the postition of the sun. > > Another frame of reference is "calculational". From earth you could > report the distance to the sun in miles or kilometers. The number is > different, the distance is the same. > > I believe you are using two different calculational reference > points, tropical and sideral, in the same single observation of the > sun at VE.
Nope. Remember, what you're suggesting is that the vernal equinox will eventually occur in *September*. > This will cause confusion. To reconcile this confusion, you appear to > believe the error is my using of two observational reference points. > I am not. I beleive the confusion is from your use of two > calculational RPs for the same observational RP. > > > > > > Perhaps. > > > > > As I suggested earlier, the day-to-day position > > > the sun in the Zodiac is an entirely different frame > > > of reference from the position of the sun from year > > > to year at the time of the vernal equinox. > > > > And your reasoning for why that is so is not clear. > > > > > In the latter frame of reference, this year the sun > > > will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox > > > (it'll enter Aquarius in 2013). > > > > > However, in the > > > former frame of reference, this year the sun will be > > > in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox. > > > > I think you are confusing sideral and tropical frames of reference. > > In sideral frame (the one used in jyotish) this year the sun will be > > in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox and (again) this year the > > sun will be Pisces at the vernal equinox. > > Slight Correction. Sideral view takes precession into account. > Jyotish uses an Ayanamsa -- a factor to convert tropical to sideral. > (the celestial mechanics are calculated in tropical,then converted) > > Thus, the point of sideral is that, among other things, I beleive VE > will always be when the sun is at the cusp of Aries and Pisces. It > will always occur in relation to the actual stars at the cusp. > This assumes the sun actually retreats a bit at VE, tropically -- due > to precession. Which could be shown graphically pretty clearly, but > harder in words. That assumption may be the point of difference > between us. > > To verify, I just ran a jyotish chart for the 2006 VE which has about > a 24 degree ayanasma "adjustment". Sun is a few degrees into Aries > -- which may be a longitude thing, and perhaps my ayanasma is off a > bit. Just as it should be for a constant aries cusp in sideral view > over long spans of time. > > On the other hand, tropical will an unadjusted date for VE. Since > precession causes (the real) VE to occur slightly earlier over time, > the date of VE must slowly change over time. In 200 year span its not > noticable. In 2100 years or so, it will shift a month. In 13000 years > it will shift 6 months. > > Due to a regularly updated ayansama every century or so, in sideral > view VE will always be at cusp of Aries and Pisces. 1n 13000 years it > will have an ayanamsa of 180 degrees. Thus converting from sideral to > tropical, VE in tropical will be on cusp of Virgo. And in earth > weather, tropical view, september is fall weather. > > > > > The *words* are the same ("The sun is in X > > > constellation at the vernal equinox"), but because > > > the frames of reference are entirely different, what > > > "X" is in each case is also entirely different. > > > > I fail to see the distinction. I run a jyotish program, with a visual > > transit feature a lot. In current time freame, when the sun is in > > pisces at the VE it is march. When the sun is in Virgo it is > > september. The sun is not in two different constallations at the same > > time. It is in two only superficially. Though in the same spot, > > tropical view puts it in Aries, and sideral view puts it in Pisces. I > > think thats where you are confusing your frames. > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/