--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > It is in two only superficially. Though in the same > > > > spot, tropical view puts it in Aries, and sideral view puts it in > > > > Pisces. I think thats where you are confusing your frames. > > > > > > No, I'm just assuming Tropical. The same frame-of- > > > reference principle holds whether it's Tropical > > > Sidereal. In their own context, Tropical versus > > > Sidereal are also different frames of reference, but > > > that's not the difference I'm talking about here. > > > > I think it is the difference. > > Nope, not. > > > You can't have VE occurring, tropically, > > both in pisces and aries this year. > > Never said that.
You said: "As I suggested earlier, the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac is an entirely different frame of reference from the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox. In the latter frame of reference, this year the sun will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox (it'll enter Aquarius in 2013). However, in the former frame of reference, this year the sun will be in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox." You above clarified that in your view that "both" points of reference are tropical. The obsevational reference is the same. Reorganizing your references you seem to be saying: In the frame of reference from the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox, this year the sun will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox However, in the the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference, this year the sun will be in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox." How is this not saying VE is occurring, tropically both in pisces and aries this year? You appear to think tropically that "the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox" is different from "the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference". You appear to have made a distinction in language,inyour mind, that does not correspond to a distinction in the world. If, tropically, the sun is in aries in "the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox" the sun is also in aries, tropically in "the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference". Same observational RP, same calculational RP. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
