--- In [email protected], "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The reason I think the conversation about the enlightened and their
> ability to supposedly not make mistakes is  silly is because the
> information regarding their purported ability to only act in a
> spontaneous right way because they are now "beyond the influence of
> right and wrong" comes from people who are claiming, or at least
> acting in such a manner, as to have us all believe they are
> enlightened. It is quite self-serving of them to have us believe 
this.

If you examine your statement a little further, you'll find that all 
statements by people about themselves, enlightened or so-called 
unenlightened, are self-serving.

Where my mind stops is when I hear about people making 'mistakes'. 
What IS a mistake, anyway? I personally couldn't tell ya...

If someone says they are enlightened, so what? Why are they saying 
it? That, and $5 will buy you a cup of coffee. The point being that 
we should only be concerned about our own enlightenment. If someone 
else claims it, and you think its bullshit, then you think its 
bullshit. That too, and $5 will buy you a cup of coffee.

There is no intrinsic benefit to someone claiming enlightenment here 
on FFL, or elsewhere, nor can we generalize about what their motive 
might be. Gee, it might just be what their experience is. If there 
descriptions of it are beneficial to you, great. If not...find 
something else that is.

> To me, this comes down to, who do I want to give the benefit of the
> doubt to, and after years now, and feeling that for much of the 
past
> thirty six years I've been hoodwinked by someone claiming one thing
> and acting another. 

The best thing to do in such a case is confront the feeling. One of 
the best exchanges I've had on this site was with Akasha108, or 
whatever his incarnation was at the time. Dude really pissed me off, 
and I still don't agree with some of the things he said, but he was 
real about it, and honest about it, and for that I give him a hell 
of a lot of credit.

The only way to get enlightened is to stay real. Don't believe a 
Goddamned thing unless you can prove it to yourself.
> 
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