--- In [email protected], "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thinking further on Guru Dev's biography, it occurs to me that it > would be a good project to make an accurate translation of the Hindi > text, or at least those quotations of Guru Dev contained within the > text. I say this as I note that neither of the translaters have > properly translated the phrase 'isa prakaara malamuutra ke bhaa.NDa > meM nau mahiine biita gaye' > The Hindi word 'malamuutra' seems to mean mal+muutra i.e. 'excrement > and urine'. That is to say, Guru Dev was saying that for nine months > he was confined in his own filth. Neither translator thinks to > include mention of this remark. >+++ He should have waited till after the birth to inhabit the body- could have saved himself the problem and ended up with a better attitude. N. > > > --- In [email protected], "Premanand Paul Mason" > <premanandpaul@> wrote: > > > > RE: Guru Dev's nine months upside down in a woman > > > > There are two published translations of the Hindi biography of Guru > > Dev. The most widely available is 'The Whole Thing The Real Thing' > > which is a 'transcreation' (not necessarilly a precise translation) > > into English of material previously only available in Hindi. Raj > > Varma (MMY's uncle) later published 'Strange Facts about a Great > > Saint' in which he offered a closer translation of many of the > > stories of Guru Dev. The tale referring to the time spent in the > womb > > is a case in point, comparison of the two texts is revealing:- > > > > "I spent nine months in intimate contact with you womenfolk. How > > shabbily was I treated? Hung upside down in solitary confinement in > a > > dark, damp, dingy cell - I can never forget those days. That is the > > reason why I have lost all desire for your company." TWTTRT > > > > "I lived in the company of you people for nine months. What was my > > condition at that time? It was reverse. I was tightly bounded from > > all sides and there were sufferings beyond limits. In this > > troublesome way I had passed nine months. Those days, I still > > remember. This is the reason why I do not have the least desire to > be > > in the company of women folk." TSTaaGS > > > > Perhaps they appear similar, but Raj's rendering, the more accurate, > > is free of the criticism that Guru Dev was treated 'shabbily', > which > > colours the reading somewhat. For those with Hindi speaking > friends, > > I offer Guru Dev's actual words, as given in an ashram publication:- > > > > "main aap logon ke samsarg men nau mahine raha. us samay meri kaisi > > dasha thi! ulate tange the, bandhanon men jakadaa tha kashta ka > > paravar na tha. is prakar malamutra ke bhanda men nau mahine bit > > gaye. ve dina mujhe aaj bhi nahin bhulate. yahii karana hai ki aap > > logon ke sampark ki ichchha nahiin karata." > > > > 'Itrans' version of the Hindi:- > > " maiM aapa logoM ke saMsarga meM nau mahiine rahaa . usa samaya > > merii kaisii dashaa thii ! ulaTe Ta.Nge the , bandhanoM meM jaka.Daa > > thaa kashhTa kaa paaraavaara na thaa . isa prakaara malamuutra ke > > bhaa.NDa meM nau mahiine biita gaye . ve dina mujhe aaja bhii nahiiM > > bhuulate . yahii kaaraNa hai ki aapa logoM ke samparka kii ichchhaa > > nahiiM karataa ." - shrii jyotirshhpiiThoddhaaraka > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Rick Archer <fairfieldlife@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Rick, still have no account on FFL. > > > But would like to suggest this. > > > > > > In the 70s, someone in germ-any brought some stuff from India, > which > > > was > > > "sermons by GD", and printed them. mmy asked him not to do that > and > > > not to distribute. > > > He agreed on that, and later said, he was hugged on the inner > level > > > by mmy, saying, "this is my realm", (or area or responsibility...) > > > > > > On two quotes from GD, I would say, he also was limited. > > > One was your quote about being nine months upside down in a woman. > > > But if we look at it, it`s not the woman`s design. Every woman, if > > > she had the choice, would hold the child nine months to her heart. > > > As far as I know, that is the design of...... I forgot, really... > > > > > > 2nd quote was, that he allowed himself to be whorshipped, since > the > > > vedas accepted that for a teacher. > > > This is nice, but for me not adequate for our time. > > > Authority is based (for me) either on love or > > > competence. Not written somewhere.... > > > > > > As I wrote to Premanand: > > > If enlightenment is a "science", than for sure we are here to > > > unfold it, even improve it. > > > like math or space science, or whatever.... > > > > > > cheers > > > > > >
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