Regardless of what I may think of the idea, the democratization of 
Iraq has been a very long-term neocon goal. You can read about it 
from nearly 10 years ago on the newamericancentury.org website.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <jyouells@> 
> wrote:
> > The leadership of the USA consciously chose to kill to prempt 
> greater
> > killing in the future. Trying to accomplish the near impossible 
in 
> the
> > middle east, a functioning representative democracy. I think that 
> this
> > was seem as the 'least evil' solution to an intractable problem. 
As
> > far as perpetuating violence: there was and is plenty to go 
around.
> > The US goal is to diminish it. The Islamofascist goals are to 
> topple
> > major economies and political systems thru violence and terror. 
If 
> you
> > can't turn the killer into a peace lover, do you kill him or let 
> him
> > continue to kill?
> > 
> > JohnY
> >
> Dude, drink the Kool-aid!
> 
> This story that the US was always planning to foment democracy in 
> the Middle East only surfaced after the Bush crowd was caught lying 
> about the original justification for their mass killing; WMDs.
> 
> Not only has the violent external imposition of democracy NEVER 
> worked before, it's a truly pathetic substitution for coherent 
> diplomacy, coupled with enforced economic sanctions. 
> 
> Without fail, every time the US has meddled underhandedly in the 
> political affairs of another country, it has backfired on us. As it 
> has now again. I just read the responses of Sens. McCain and Biden 
> on the situation in Iraq. A complete failure.
> 
> Your demonizing of the Islamic world is interesting- another piece 
> of revisionist propaganda by the Bush machine. As I said earlier, 
> when you cage people and poke sharp sticks at them, as we have done 
> to Iraq, then when they lash out in anger, it is easy to use that 
as 
> justification for your initial wrong actions. Police use this 
> occasionally to justify killing someone. 
> 
> There are adherents in the Islamic world who are every bit as 
> radical as the Christian fundamentalists. Ironically they are now 
> finding fertile ground for violently forwarding their agenda- 
> something that was not possible before we declared war on them, at 
> least not in a unified way. 
> 
> Just as we are now using the violent response to our Sin as further 
> justification to escalate our warring, so are the Islamic radicals 
> using our warring as justification for their continued violent 
> response against us.
> 
> And I totally understand that what the US is doing militarily is 
> seen as an intelligent response from the standpoint of the 
ignorance 
> of waking state consciousness. Unfortunately, long term it will 
only 
> culture further violence against the US, and is doomed to failure 
> and further suffering. Very stupid policy.
>







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