--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], t3rinity <no_reply@> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> 
wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
> wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], t3rinity <no_reply@> 
> wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > > Even a fundamental Christian may have had an Awakening 
> > > > > experience, and therefore believes that anything 
> > > > > connected with that religion is true.
> > > > 
> > > > You're deluding yourself...*most* Christians in
> > > > the world have had NO SUCH EXPERIENCE. They are 
> > > > merely trusting what they have been told to trust.
> > > 
> > > Most Christians, perhaps.  But Michael specified
> > > *fundamentalist* Christians, many if not most of
> > > whom have had some sort of "born-again" experience.
> > 
> > Thanks Judy, that's what I had meant indeed. It's just that such
> > experiences aren't counted as such by some people. They are 
> > so 'low' that they don't even count them as such.
> 
> That's not it at all. It's a "numbers game." In the
> world of Christianity, mainly reflected by mainstream
> Protestant or Catholic followers, it would be a *rarity*
> to find someone who had personally had some kind of 
> "born again" experience. Talk to actual priests and
> pastors sometime instead of imagining what they deal
> with; they would tell you that the name of the game
> is FAITH. They deal with "flocks" who have *had* no
> spiritual experiences. They read stories about them.

And yet the word "faith" as presented in either the Old or New 
Testament, doesn't mean "belief without proof."

In Heberew, the word translated as faith means something like "strong 
in God" or perhaps, "one with God," if you're of a mystical bent (its 
related to the word for right-handed). In Greek, the word used means 
something like "intuitive knowledge."


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