--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> > wrote: > > --- In [email protected], t3rinity <no_reply@> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > <snip> > > > > > But forget about the numbers. Assume a group of only > > > > > ten people who have had no personal experience that > > > > > they would call "spiritual," never in their entire > > > > > lives. > > > > > > How would you know? > > > > He's saying they've never had an experience *they > > themselves* would call "spiritual." To know that, > > you ask them, "Have you ever had an experience you > > would call 'spiritual'?" > > > > Doesn't mean they haven't had experiences *he* > > would call "spiritual," however. They could well > > have had such experiences but not thought of them > > as spiritual. > > > > > You know everybodies heart and mind don't you? > > > Maybe you are limiting what you call spiritual to a certain type > of > > > experience like witnessing etc. > > > > Also, he's defining "faith" in such a way as to > > *exclude* spiritual experience. That isn't > > necessarily the way religious people define it. > > Faith can be a function of experience, or it can > > *itself* be an experience, e.g., of effortless > > surrender. In talking to these people, or to > > priests, you have to be sure you mean the same > > thing by those terms as they do. > > I'll let you two talk. You seem convinced that > you "know" what everyone is "really" saying, > so it's kinda irrelevant for them to actually > say anything. :-) >
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