--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are effortless
> > and do not require concentration.
> 
> You must've missed the "TM is not effortless" thread here sometime  
> ago. TM is *easy* but not truly effortless. 

BS. No effort is required to do TM. Some effort mayhappen on 
occasssion, and obsessing about how much or how little, if any, is 
detrimental, but no effort is required. 

And there are many *easy*  
> meditation methods out there and there are *effortless* forms of  
> meditation but they are not necessarily *easy* to do correctly.
> 
> It seems like we're mincing words when we talk about this, but 
styles  
> of meditation which are truly effortless are typically forms of non-
 
> meditation. And there is a big difference.
> 
> Even M. admitted this at Estes Park--that TM required some effort.
>

So what did he say exactly?






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