--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:18 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 9, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > > on 3/9/06 1:22 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Even M. admitted this at Estes Park--that TM required some > > > >>> effort.
[Note that Rick didn't write this; Vaj did. See post 90430.] > > > >> So what did he say exactly? > > > > > > > > He quoted some verse from the Vedas, which maybe Cardemeister > > > > can find, which reads, "Be easy to us with gentle effort." [The above is what Rick wrote. But obviously Lawson was responding to what Vaj said, not what Rick said, contrary to Vaj's claim that Lawson and I have lost our memories.] > > > Case closed then. :-) > > > > Not by a long shot, sorry. > > > > > It might help Judy and Lawson to understand the difference if > > > they tried an effortless form of meditation, For example, if > > > you have a friend or relative who is Christian and is opposed > > > to Hindu meditation for whatever reason, you could accompany > > > them a teaching session of "Centering Prayer" which is > > > relatively effortless. > > > > Uh, Vaj, perhaps you aren't aware that "Centering > > Prayer" is a Christianized version of TM developed > > by a priest who had practiced TM (Basil Pennington). > > The instructions are almost word-for-word those of > > TM in many respects, but in other respects they're > > intentional and directive, unlike those for TM. > > > > The implementation of nonintentional and nondirective > > instructions is, of course, what makes the difference > > between "Centering Prayer," which is easy but requires > > some effort, and TM, which requires no effort. > > > > If you found that TM--or what you thought of as TM-- > > involved *more* effort than Centering Prayer, then, > > again, it's crystal clear you never actually *learned* > > TM when you took the TM course. > > > > Oh, and by the way, there's no such thing as "relatively > > effortless." That's like being "relatively pregnant." > > No it's not from Basil Pennington, it's from Father Thomas Keating > in it's current teaching. In it's early developmental stages I > believe Basil contributed "Basil" originated it, based on TM. but it has been refined further. I was > referring to his (Keatings) lineage. Keating's *lineage*?? Oh, good grief. You're a riot, Vaj. Keating claims what he teaches is based on the technique in the "Cloud of Unknowing," apparently because he doesn't want to admit the real source, which is TM, via Pennington. Centering Prayer has not been "refined" to involve less effort, to the contrary. Keating has "refined" it to remove most of TM's exceptionally delicate and utterly crucial safeguards *against* effort. Pennington tried to preserve them, but his attempts, where he didn't lift bits of TM instruction verbatim, were rather clumsy. At least he tried. And of course instruction for Centering Prayer can be learned from a book. > What other meditation methods have you tried? Centering Prayer, among others. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
