On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:18 PM, authfriend wrote: > --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 9, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > on 3/9/06 1:22 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Even M. admitted this at Estes Park--that TM required some > > >>> effort. > > >> > > >> So what did he say exactly? > > > > > > He quoted some verse from the Vedas, which maybe Cardemeister > > > can find, which reads, "Be easy to us with gentle effort." > > > > Case closed then. :-) > > Not by a long shot, sorry. > > > It might help Judy and Lawson to understand the difference if they > > tried an effortless form of meditation, For example, if you have a > > friend or relative who is Christian and is opposed to Hindu > > meditation for whatever reason, you could accompany them a > > teaching session of "Centering Prayer" which is relatively > > effortless. > > Uh, Vaj, perhaps you aren't aware that "Centering > Prayer" is a Christianized version of TM developed > by a priest who had practiced TM (Basil Pennington). > The instructions are almost word-for-word those of > TM in many respects, but in other respects they're > intentional and directive, unlike those for TM. > > The implementation of nonintentional and nondirective > instructions is, of course, what makes the difference > between "Centering Prayer," which is easy but requires > some effort, and TM, which requires no effort. > > If you found that TM--or what you thought of as TM-- > involved *more* effort than Centering Prayer, then, > again, it's crystal clear you never actually *learned* > TM when you took the TM course. > > Oh, and by the way, there's no such thing as "relatively > effortless." That's like being "relatively pregnant."
No it's not from Basil Pennington, it's from Father Thomas Keating in it's current teaching. In it's early developmental stages I believe Basil contributed but it has been refined further. I was referring to his (Keatings) lineage. What other meditation methods have you tried? ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
