On Mar 9, 2006, at 4:57 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> > > On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > >
> > > > I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are
> > > > effortless and do not require concentration.
> > >
> > > You must've missed the "TM is not effortless" thread here
> > > sometime ago. TM is *easy* but not truly effortless.
> >
> > BS. No effort is required to do TM. Some effort mayhappen on
> > occasssion, and obsessing about how much or how little, if any, is
> > detrimental, but no effort is required.
>
> BS. You're supposed to start by thinking something
> in particular (the mantra). I've practiced techniques
> in which no such artificiality is required.

Precisely my point. Sheesh you almost get the mpression these guys  
only have ever believed what they are told.



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