--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:00 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:12 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are > > > >>> effortless and do not require concentration. > > > >> > > > >> You must've missed the "TM is not effortless" thread here > > > >> sometime ago. > > > > > > > > I recall a really hilarious post from you that purported > > > > to show how the TM checking routine "proves" TM is not > > > > effortless. > > > > > > > > Oddly enough, you canceled that post not long after. > > > > > > Funny I don't recall that. > > > > That *is* strange. When I asked you whether you'd > > willing to repost it on alt.m.t, or have me repost > > it if you didn't want to bother looking for it, you > > went ballistic: > > > > ----- > > On 2005-05-20 12:25:06 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > > > > Say, Vaj, yesterday you made a long post to Fairfield > > > Life analyzing the TM checking instructions in an > > > attempt to show where effort is involved. > > > > > I'm not posting to Fairfield Life, but I have a few > > > comments to make if you'd like to repost it here, > > > or would give me permission to do so. > > > > Actually it was not about checking, and no YOU ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE > > PERMISSION TO POST IT HERE OR ELSEWHERE IN WHOLE OR IN PART. This > > material is copyrighted by me, for me. Any violation by publishing it > > elsewhere will constitute violation of said copyright on this > > already published item. > > ----- > > > > It was, of course, about checking; you quoted gobs of > > the checking procedure (although you did so quite > > misleadingly, collapsing the algorithm in an attempt > > to make your point). > > > > You even went so far as to *copyright* it. You sure > > must have thought it was important at the time, but > > for some very strange reason you freaked out at the > > idea of reposting it to alt.m.t. > > > > Right after I'd asked you to repost it or give me > > permission to repost it, you zoomed over to FFL and > > canceled it. > > > > And now you don't remember it at all. How *very* > > odd, when it seemed to be such a huge deal at the > > time. > > > > > Although once the point was made clearly, > > > there was little else to say--although some people love to keep > > > arguing beyond reason. > > > > Ah, but the point wasn't made at all. You seriously > > misinterpreted a good part of the checking instructions > > you had posted. > > > > <snip> > > > > What *exactly* did he say? I've heard that what he said > > > > was "TM is effortless effort." > > > > > > PR as part of one the quantum mechanics spiels no doubt. > > > > I wonder why you have such a difficult time answering > > questions directly. > > > > But I gather you don't know what he said after all. > > > > And no, of course it had nothing to do with quantum > > mechanics. It was in response to a question about > > effort in meditation. > > > > > > I would maintain that those who don't think TM is > > > > effortless *are not doing it effortlessly*. > > > > > > I would maintain they are not familiar with real effortless > > > meditation and simply enjoying their easy meditation method, that's > > > all. > > > > On the basis of your post using the checking > > procedure to "demonstrate" that TM involves effort, > > it's crystal clear that you never got what is really > > meant by "effortless" or why no effort is involved > > in TM. Which means you almost certainly were not > > doing it effortlessly in the first place. > > > > Wow, tat's a lot of words! > > The simple answer is this: > > Checking shows how the mechanics of effort are used.
When I learned TM (Deep Meditation) in 1962, by the first meditation teacher in Norway, we learned to concentrate about the Mantra. Some years after - the instruction became "Don't concentrate", and the checking points came out. Ingegerd > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
