--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <claudiouk@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > The really problematic dimension of suffering is not personal 
(if 
> > one 
> > > can indeed become "detached" from internal desire or aversion) -
 
> it 
> > > is interpersonal. Try being detatched whilst your loved ones 
are 
> > > being tortured... 
> > > 
> > 
> > Of course, in the TM sense, lack of suffering is due to 
witnessing. 
> > Anger, horror, terror, unhappiness, etc., can be expected within 
a 
> > person watching another, especially a loved one, being tortured. 
> That 
> > doesn't preclude witnessing in the TM sense, however.
> > 
> > It's an interesting paradox: one can suffer and yet not be 
> suffering.
> 
> But the referent of "one" changes.  The self is suffering,
> while the Self is not.

Well yeah, but just because we see beauty in the dead dog's shiny 
teeth doesn't mean we go out of our way to admire them if there is 
something else *better*, relatively speaking, to look at. 





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