--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 14, 2006, at 6:05 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > But even someportion of some concentrative technique is effortless so > > what is the difference then? MMY has set up a training procedure that > > helps bring people to a state of "letting" better than concentration, > > but if someone using some slight effort in their practice, that's how > > it is. You can't be dilligent about getting rid of effort! And to me, > > assigning a value-judgement to the effortlessness/non- effortlessness > > of their practice, assuming that they follow the instructions, is > > definitely a value-judgement. > > Here's some more evidence of subtle effort for positive support of > the practice of TM (from an old post here). It actually involved your > post. These are classic elements of mindfulness (Rick uses the word > "attentiveness") to prevent laxity, a common, helpful element in > numerous forms of meditation: > > [FairfieldLife] TM & Laxity, was: For Vaj Re:Pitta-aggravating mantras > Rick Archer > Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:32:08 -0700 > > on 6/25/05 9:49 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> It would be interesting to hear others experiences in the area of TM > >> and laxity. > > > > Well, aside from the advice given that people who find themselves > sleeping a > > lot during TM > > should sleep more BEFORE TM? > > > > BTW, I go through periods where I sleep a lot during program, and > periods > > where I don't > > seem to sleep much. What is your explanation for that other than > MMY's, that > > the > > condition of my nervous system is different from time to time? > > On the Santa Barbara ATR (winter 71-72) I told M that I fell asleep > in most > of my meditations. He said "Some physical weakness. Try to remove the > cause." > > On my 6 month course (Courcheval, Spring-Fall 1975) M said that he > was going > to try to turn us into yogis in 6 months. Two things he recommended were > cold baths and sitting up without back support in meditation. I think > both > of these, especially the latter, were prescriptions to combat laxity. > (He > also said we were in a race or a contest to see who could purify the > fastest, and to help us he had us fasting and trying all sorts of > healers > brought in from around Europe). > > I think the no effort thing is most relevant to grosser levels of > experience, i.e., new meditators. At subtle levels effort also isn't > appropriate, but attentiveness is. The advanced technique where you > focus on > the heart area is certainly a form of attentiveness.
Not in my mind. I also find that > some > gentle attentiveness vs. allowing the mind to just mess around makes > a big > difference in terms of clarity and frequency of transcending. BUt is that important? > > At Estes Park, M quoted the Vedas as saying, "Be easy to us with gentle > effort." > That's the MAximum effort, WORST-CASE scenario. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
