--- In [email protected], "markmeredith2002" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > It's a pretty strong indictment of the claim that 
> > > > > > TM makes one more able to deal with 'stress' and
> > > > > > function effectively in the real world. I can only 
> > > > > > hope that the next time I fly the person in charge 
> > > > > > of air traffic control does NOT practice TM. "Oh...
> > > > > > two planes on a collision course...better meditate..."
> > > > > 
> > > > > Heh. I wouldn't blame TM, but only the insular environment 
> > > > > where they are living.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm not convinced. The same mindset has been present
> > > > in *every* TM environment I've ever lived or worked
> > > > in, including the centers and administrative offices
> > > > in the heart of Los Angleles. One can create an 'island'
> > > > anywhere if one wants to. 
> > > > 
> > > > The question for me is whether this mindset is the 
> > > > result of TM per se or the effect of decades of
> > > > indoctrination in "Don't focus on the negative."
> > > > I don't know.
> > > 
> > > Since I've been practicing TM for 30+ years and been in 
various 
> > > enviornments where emergencies are contrived to happen (e.g. 
> > > USAF/NATO exercises) I can assure you it's the lack of 
> > > experience/practice with emergencies. The military spends a 
LOT of 
> > > time and money training people to know what to do "under 
fire." 
> > > The TMO doesn't.
> > 
> > The TMO, in fact, trains people in the *opposite*,
> > that they will become 'in tune' with the 'laws of
> > nature,' and thus nothing bad will ever happen. I
> > still think that *this* is the problem. Not only
> > were these people not trained in how to react to
> > such a situation, they didn't want to *believe* it
> > was happening. Rather than deal with it, they tried
> > their best to make it 'go away' and *not* deal with
> > it. I'm afraid that this attitude will continue at
> > MUM, no matter what policies are implemented or
> > what training is provided. This myth of being 
> > 'invincible' due to the power of TM and the siddhis 
> > is part and parcel of the TMO teaching and its 
> > environments. The first reaction to a bad situation
> > happening is always going to be, "This isn't really 
> > happening, because it *can't*. These kinds of things 
> > just aren't supposed *to* happen."
> 
> But the school has had a history of dealing with mental illness
> problems.  In the 80s after the sidhis came out, there were 
numerous
> mental health incidents on campus.  The policy then was to quickly
> ship the person off to the mental hospital in nearby mt.pleasant.  
In
> recent yrs I've heard of MUM putting staff who've gone off the deep
> end onto the Trailways bus in town headed to their parents' home. 
The
> problem with Sem was that they needed to wait a day to get him on a
> plane and he was obviously violent.
> 
> I think the real culture problem here is the tmo's obsession with
> getting good PR and avoiding bad PR to keep up the perfect image.  
Not
> wanting news of an attack to leak out kept faculty and 
administrators
> from contacting the proper authorities and generally dealing with 
it
> effectively.  
> 
> In fact, MUM probably has a more peaceful campus than most, and 
what
> MUM TBs need to realize is that even if news of the initial minor
> attack by pen in the classroom had gotten into the local paper by
> contacting the proper authorities, that would not have severely
> damaged the public's perception of MUM because most people realize
> that shit happens periodically, esp. involving the mentally ill, 
and
> no-one in the real world thinks MUM is perfect heaven on earth 
anyway.  


Well said...and I would also add that because TM attracts a 
disproportionately high number of people who aren't "normal" (which, 
obviously, it does because it promises -- and, in my opinion, 
delivers -- solutions to their suffering, you are going to get a 
disproportionately higher number of mental health "incidents", such 
as you describe above.




> 
> PS - read in the blogoshere yesterday how insurance cos may be a 
force
> to address global warming.  they see the real evidence of it in 
their
> statistics on natural disasters and are getting hesitant to provide
> liability insurance for directors of cos. that both contribute to 
GW
> and actively work to deny it (Exxon) fearing it could lead to major
> lawsuits later on.  Insurance cos may the force to get MUM down to
> earth as well.
>

Good point about the insurance companies and their reluctance to 
insure people/organisations who continue to rack up liabilities.

However, I'll disagree with you on Exxon and global-warming.  
Denying the existence of global-warming is not, in itself, 
actionable.  If Exxon were consuming inordinate amounts of oil-based 
products themselves then, yes, maybe.  But they don't; they just 
manufacture the stuff.  It is people like you and me that consume 
the oil-based products, such as gasoline, that lead to the alleged 
problem.  That's why gun manufacturers will never be successfully 
sued when a gun they manufacture is used to illegally kill or injure 
someone (and when I say "successfully sued" I mean that a guilty 
verdict in the lower courts is not eventually reversed in a higher 
court).






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