--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 17, 2006, at 10:15 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 2006, at 4:58 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > I am actually quite serious: I really do believe that the > > > > technique desribed in the pdf is quite distorted and won't go > > > > as "deep" as TM. Ironically for the very reason why it asserts > > > > that it goes deep: it advocates control and makes value- > > > > judgements about getting lost in thoughts, > > > > > > Actually in this method people would eventually transcend for > > > significantly longer amounts of time > > > > But does "depth" correspond directly to longer periods > > of transcending? Or might it correspond to the level of > > impurities ("stress") in the nervous system being > > dissolved (which manifest as discursive thoughts)? > > Presumably that's what research shows. When you can 'get down and > stay down' the mind purifies spontaneously. The research I read on > this was from the centerpointe people. They claim that you have to > increase this "immersion" in PC slowly over a couple of years in most > people, otherwise it's just too much unstressing to process.
And the published "research" on this is found where, again? > > Wallace, in the aforementioned article, states that a purification > does happen once one sustains the state for extended periods: > > "With the attainment of the ninth state called balanced placement, > accomplished > with the force of familiarization, only an initial impulse of will > and effort is needed at > the beginning of each meditation session; for after that, > uninterrupted, sustained at- > tention occurs effortlessly. Moreover, the engagement of the will, of > effort, and inter- > vention at this point is actually a hindrance. It is time to let the > natural balance of the > mind maintain itself without interference. Which happens all the time, from the start, with TM... > > (...) > > Even when one has reached the state of balanced placement, Samatha > has still not > been fully achieved. Its attainment is marked first by a dramatic > shift in one's nervous > system, characterized briefly by a not unpleasant sense of heaviness > and numbness on > the top of the head. This is followed by an obvious increase in > mental and then physi- > cal pliancy, entailing a cheerfulness and lightness of the mind and a > buoyancy and > lightness of the body. Consequently, experiences of physical bliss > and then mental > bliss arise, which are temporarily quite overwhelming. But that > rapture soon fades, > and with their disappearance, the attention is sustained firmly and > calmly upon the > meditative object, and Samatha is fully achieved. The above claims > concerning a > shift in one's nervous system and its consequences have to do with > first-hand, empiri- > cal, physiological experiences. It remains to be seen how, or > whether, such a theory > and the corresponding physiological changes can be detected > objectively and under- > stood in modern scientific terms. " > So where is pure consciousness in "sustained firmly and calmly upon the meditative object?" To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
