>
> And contradiction is bad exactly why?
In my view, there is a vast realm where logic is of great value, and
where contradictions are indicative of an error. And there are other
realms which are outside the realm of logic --- and contradictions are
part of the landscape. Love for example. There is little logic in
love. I find it of value to distinguish the two types of realms. To
make universal claims that all realms are illogical and contradictions
are natural is a fool's mindscape IMO.
>
> > But these types of interpretations are more akin to poetry
> > that is trying to describe love or beauty, not an internally-
> > consistent and logical truth.
>
> What makes you believe that "truth" is either internally
> consistent or logical?
I did not say all truths are internally consistent or logical. I
referred "a truth" -- to a particular realm of truth which is
internally consistent or logical. As discussed above, there are other
realms which are not necessarily internally consistent or logical. To
deny the former realm -- the realm where logic applies -- is a fools
paradise.
> I honestly think that what you're *hoping* is that the
> description of enlightenment can be internally consis-
> tent and logical, so that you can "understand" it
> using the rational mind.
See my adjacent posts. You will find your hypothesis is quite
one-dimensional and off base. I honestly think you may be projecting
here, projecting onto others an issue you are dealing with and are
uncomfortable with your lack of internal resolution.
>And you hope that....
And you know that how?
> In my view, this desire to "understand" is a natural
> phenomenon, but it's one that is based on the unenlight-
> ened self trying to survive, when in fact for enlight-
> enment to be realized, that limited intellectual self
> has to be discarded or, at the very least, ignored.
Based on your own experience I presume.
> What if enlightenment (or whatever you choose to call
> it) can NEVER be accurately measured or described?
Thats not a problem for me. See my adjacent posts. Is it a problem for
you? What does seem to be a problem for you is reading what people
actually say before your strong ghosts of presumption takeover and
possess your otherwise fine mind.
> It seems to me
That and 10 francs will get you a fine expresso.
> that situation creates a couple of
> interesting "Catch-22s." The first is that attempts
> *to* measure it or describe it "accurately" become
> exercises in pushing enlightenment away,
Is that your experience?
>not
> embracing its mysteries and inherent contradictions.
I have embrace a number of women along with their mysteries and
inherent contradictions. Why should embracing IT and its mysteries and
inherent contradictions be a huge leap?
> The second is the importance of trust -- trusting
> one's own experience, even though it may seem
> internally inconsistent and non-logical.
Are you implying that I don't trust my own experience? If so, what
stupendous leaps did you make to get there?
> Your poetry analogy is onto something.
Thats why I brought it up. There are various realms. And various tools
appropriate and useful in each realm. Somethings are best approached
by poets. Other things are best left to logical quantitative types. I
really don't want a poet designing jet engines on the planes I fly.
And I don't want engineers telling me about love.
> Poets don't
> really mind if they describe a flower (or something
> less tangible, like love) differently from poem to
> poem. Each poem captures a small subjective aspect
> of the thing you're writing the poems about; *none*
> of the poems capture the thing itself. And that's Ok.
And did you suppose or presume somehow that I felt it was not ok?
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