On Jun 5, 2006, at 10:19 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote:

> >
> > >otherwise there is utter imbalance in the equation.
> >
> > So Muktanada's 16 yr olds were tantra adepts? Come on!!!
>
> Again, an important fine point. Muktananda claimed to be doing yoni-
> puja on these women AND practicing urdhva-retas on these kids. And
> first hand accounts tend to bear this out, that is they were
> congruent with someone who was practicing vajroli. Interestingly this
> practice is also considered helpful in being able to perform
> shaktipat, so there is a practical connection there (which of course
> also makes it much more difficult for these ladies to process their
> trauma).

And so your points about muktananda do possibly not apply to M?

As I indicated earlier, it would depend on more technical factors whether that was true or not.

But now we do have some insight into the technical aspects I was referring to. Since we now have the input from Rick that M. could not retain his bindu--aka his retas (semen)--he was clearly (by definition of the practice of urdhva-retas) not performing that practice. In other words it was most likely just plain ole Sexual Incest.

One wonders if in his hidden past he was raised Catholic?

Actually knowing this simple fact, that M. appears to NOT have had control of his own bindu (his ejaculation) is really all that we needed to know to conclude this discussion.


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