--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
<snip>
> > Also, I'm not at all sure what Wilber says in this
> > vein contradicts Hagelin.  I think their approaches
> > come from very different angles and that they aren't
> > really talking about the same thing.
> 
> He mentions the "so-called experts" from what the Bleep Do We Know,
which presents  
> Hagelin as a top Quantum Physicist. I'd be greatly surprised if he
did NOT mean to 
> denounce Hagelin's talk in the movie.

I didn't suggest he didn't mean to denounce it.

> > > Yeah, anyone that listens to Ken WIlber about anything shows bad
> > mysticism.
> > 
> > (You meant Hagelin here, not Wilber, right?)
> 
> I meant Wilber.

Oh, I thought you were being sarcastic, sorry.
<snip>

> > How much have you read of what he's written?
> 
> I was going by the talk, which was represented as showing that
anyone who talks about 
> QM and mysticism is doing  bad mysticism.

I believe that was Vaj's (mis)representation.  I
wouldn't evaluate Wilber either by that talk or
by Vaj's opinion of it.






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