--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jun 26, 2006, at 9:15 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Jun 26, 2006, at 8:40 PM, authfriend wrote: > >> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> By request. > >>>> > >>>> Ken Wilber demonstrates different brainwave patterns on a > > standard > >>>> home unit used in Neuro-feedback. > >>>> > >>>> Ever hear of a TMer doing a blank wave? > >>>> > >>>> No, I'm sure you haven't... > >>> > >>> You've posted this here before, as I recall, Vaj. > >> > >> Yes, that's right Judy. Thanks for noticing. :-) > >> > >>> > >>> Explain to us again (a) why we should be impressed > >>> that Wilber can do a "blank wave" on a home EEG > >>> unit; > >> > >> Because of the *style* of samadhi this is indicative of (to put > >> it in TM lingo) is that of Unity Consciousness. > > > > And we know that a "blank wave" on a home EEG unit is > > indicative of a Unity Consciousness style of samadhi > > because...? > > Apparently someone needs to do some research!
Well, do it then, for goodness' sake! > >> However it should also be noted this relates to a different path > >> than -> PC -> CC -> eventually leads to UC. > > > > It sure is. > > Is it? Of course. > > Instead it should be seen as UC > >> grasped as the path (unusual because you are taking UC *as the > > path*, > >> rather than as an *end state*) and maturing into BC (to use the > >> TM metaphor). > >> > >>> and (b) why we should be disheartened (or > >>> gleeful, if we're TM critics) that we've never heard > >>> of a TMer doing a "blank wave"? > >> > >> Because we should realize and make the connection that *dualistic > >> methods lead to dualistic states of consciousness* (e.g. the > >> witnessing artifact, which is an artifact of a dualistic > >> meditation method). > > > > But which (as you know, and just said above) is a > > transitional feature in terms of UC. > > I assume you are referring to GC? GC?? > I'm sorry I don't buy the GC fallacy Mahesh has fed you. > > Either would Shankara... I think you've lost the thread here, Vaj. Why don't you just go and do your research and then come back and tell us what you've found out? > > We still need to know, however, why a "blank wave" on a > > home EEG machine should be assumed to represent a nondual > > state of consciousness (and presumably why "nonblank waves" > > on a home EEG machine should be assumed to represent a > > dualistic state of consciousness). > > Like I said, if you do not understand *why*, it sounds like you > need to do some more hunting--or some more exploration in terms of > the *spectrum* of meditative practices... No, no, that would be *you* who needs to do the research so you know what the hell you're talking about and can explain to us the answers to the questions I asked. > I can't do it for you Judy. Oh, sure you can, Vaj. You know how to use Google. > > That's not in any way to imply that dualistic states of > >> meditation are *bad* or *lesser* than other forms of meditation. > >> Instead they should be understood as a continuum naturally > > occurring > >> in meditative praxis. However, it should not be missed that *one > > is > >> much faster than the other!* > >> > >>> > >>>> Well, here it is: > >>>> > >>>> http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 > >>>> > >>>> (bottom of the page) > >>>> > >>>> Eventually we'll see similar technology used to qualify and > >>>> verify those claiming certain states (e.g. someone claiming > >>>> access to a non-dual state should be able to make a "flat" > >>>> EEG). > >>> > >>> Oh, and while you're at it, (c) why making a "flat" EEG > >>> (on a home machine) should be considered a requirement > >>> for those claiming access to a nondual state? > >> > >> It's not a *requirement*, merely one possible, measurable > >> signature...that's all. > > > > OK, that's not what you said, however. I guess you > > just miswrote. > > LOL. No, it just a refinement of what I previously hinted at. You > missed it. No, no. Look at what you wrote that I was commenting on. You just got your syntax a bit tangled up, as you so often do. > If you don't "get this", that's fine. It's probably just an > artifact of your paradigm. What paradigm would that be, Vaj, the English language? Not unusual for people who are indoctrinated in > *any* school of thought (or belief). LOL!! > That's why yogis who practice the path of Unity Consciousness > emphatically say "don't get caught in a "school"". I bet they also don't have any trouble answering questions, either. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
