On Jun 26, 2006, at 10:42 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Jun 26, 2006, at 9:15 PM, authfriend wrote:
--- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
On Jun 26, 2006, at 8:40 PM, authfriend wrote:
--- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
By request.
Ken Wilber demonstrates different brainwave patterns on a
standard home unit used in Neuro-feedback.
Ever hear of a TMer doing a blank wave?
No, I'm sure you haven't...
You've posted this here before, as I recall, Vaj.
Yes, that's right Judy. Thanks for noticing. :-)
Explain to us again (a) why we should be impressed that Wilber can do a "blank wave" on a home EEG unit;
Because of the *style* of samadhi this is indicative of (to put it in TM lingo) is that of Unity Consciousness.
And we know that a "blank wave" on a home EEG unit is indicative of a Unity Consciousness style of samadhi because...?
Apparently someone needs to do some research!
Well, do it then, for goodness' sake!
I'm quite happy (TM trans.:blissful) with what I've found thank you!
However it should also be noted this relates to a different path than -> PC -> CC -> eventually leads to UC.
It sure is.
Is it?
Of course.
Uh huh.
Instead it should be seen as UC grasped as the path (unusual because you are taking UC *as the
path*, rather than as an *end state*) and maturing into BC (to use the TM metaphor).
and (b) why we should be disheartened (or gleeful, if we're TM critics) that we've never heard of a TMer doing a "blank wave"?
Because we should realize and make the connection that *dualistic methods lead to dualistic states of consciousness* (e.g. the witnessing artifact, which is an artifact of a dualistic meditation method).
But which (as you know, and just said above) is a transitional feature in terms of UC.
I assume you are referring to GC?
GC??
GC = "God Consciousness" (i.e. the style of realization typical of Vaishnava bhakti bliss kittens). If you visited an airport in the 70's or early 80's you might get it....
I'm sorry I don't buy the GC fallacy Mahesh has fed you.
Either would Shankara...
I think you've lost the thread here, Vaj. Why don't you just go and do your research and then come back and tell us what you've found out?
We still need to know, however, why a "blank wave" on a home EEG machine should be assumed to represent a nondual state of consciousness (and presumably why "nonblank waves" on a home EEG machine should be assumed to represent a dualistic state of consciousness).
Like I said, if you do not understand *why*, it sounds like you need to do some more hunting--or some more exploration in terms of the *spectrum* of meditative practices...
No, no, that would be *you* who needs to do the research so you know what the hell you're talking about and can explain to us the answers to the questions I asked.
I can't do it for you Judy.
Oh, sure you can, Vaj. You know how to use Google.
That's not in any way to imply that dualistic states of meditation are *bad* or *lesser* than other forms of meditation. Instead they should be understood as a continuum naturally
occurring in meditative praxis. However, it should not be missed that *one
is much faster than the other!*
Well, here it is:
http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6
(bottom of the page)
Eventually we'll see similar technology used to qualify and verify those claiming certain states (e.g. someone claiming access to a non-dual state should be able to make a "flat" EEG).
Oh, and while you're at it, (c) why making a "flat" EEG (on a home machine) should be considered a requirement for those claiming access to a nondual state?
It's not a *requirement*, merely one possible, measurable signature...that's all.
OK, that's not what you said, however. I guess you just miswrote.
LOL. No, it just a refinement of what I previously hinted at. You missed it.
No, no. Look at what you wrote that I was commenting on. You just got your syntax a bit tangled up, as you so often do.
If you don't "get this", that's fine. It's probably just an artifact of your paradigm.
What paradigm would that be, Vaj, the English language?
Not unusual for people who are indoctrinated in *any* school of thought (or belief).
LOL!!
Do I detect a hint of bliss?
That's why yogis who practice the path of Unity Consciousness emphatically say "don't get caught in a "school"".
I bet they also don't have any trouble answering questions, either. Of course not, in a language foreign to most...not merely the Van Gogh's with *one* ear...
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