A red flag for "spin" goes up, perhaps undjusifiably so, for statements like " already known for their involvement in trying to bring about the public ridicule of another prominent Indian."
On the surface, he sounds like quite the rogue. On second thought, do all prominent indians deserve shielding if they have done some un-noble things? Is someone known for their involvement in trying to bring about the public exposure of such un-nobles necessarily a bad person? If it was Conny Larsson, collecting mail for Linda Williams Pierce -- who is apparently quite sick and may have others hadling her mail -- then perhaps that is quite a noble thing. Apparently Conny directly witnessed (and experienced?) abuses by Sai Baba -- and is dedicating a lot of time and resources to education others about the potential downside of involment with SB. Not a bad thing, is it? --- In [email protected], "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I do not enter the suspicion of a conspiracy theory lightly, but > whilst trying to contact one of the women I found my email to her > being answered by someone already known for their involvement in > trying to bring about the public ridicule of another prominent Indian. > > > > > --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul Mason" <premanandpaul@> > > wrote: > > > ... and the stories have sounded no more clear as time has gone > > > on. > > > > To me, and this is not universal, I knew or was on courses with most > > of the people in SS. To me, most were credible as people. Different > > than say, if SS were written by strangers, or worse, the top 10 > > posters on FFL. And SS collaborated explicit things I had heard 25 > > years earlier. Thus, SS files was perhaps more credible for me than > > for you. > > > > > Now to assume MMY's 'guilt' on the basis of third-hand material > > > is very faulty. > > > > Its odd, to me, how people wrap "extra stuff" around more simple > > events. "Guilt" ? I know you use the term loosely, but there is no > i) > > legal, and most would argue no ii) moral crime here. It may be an > iii) > > ethical abuse (younger women) but I don't buy that. Jennifer was, > > based on her attendance at my TTC the year before, and appearances, > > probably 23-24 at the time of her "reading mail" to MMY. (Though she > > was was probably not mistaken as 'the chosen one' as Tom apparently > > thought he was). > > > > And she, while graceful and refined, IMO, is not someone I would > have > > termed as sheltered or naive. Demure perhaps. Adults do things, are > > responsible for their choices -- even if they regret them later, > and > > are ill-effected by them. > > > > Perhaps it was iv) an abuse of power -- teacher / student -- I have > > argued that in the past -- but have recanted some. When pants are > > down, or dhotis and dresses on the floor, power dynamics may > diminish > > -- or reverse, wobble, and occilate -- who has power over whom when > > nakedness befalls? > > > > So who (what crazy bastards :) ) is "assuming guilt" when, at least > > IMO, guilt is a non-issue? A more corect rendering of your sentence > > would be, IMO, " Now to assume the truth of the allegations on the > > basis of third-hand material is very faulty. " > > > > Well, even then, there is a case being made by SS, see my comments > > above on credible sources. But more importantly, even with credible > > sources, i don't have terribly strong opinions that the stories are > > true or not. I look at it, as many of the uncertainties in life, > > probabilistically. > > > > Much more importantly, i don't have strong reactions one way or > > another if SS is true or not. To me, the impact of the stories being > > true is not large for me. I figure a yogi knows something more than > me > > about energy flows. And its his business. And even if not, i don't > > walk out on other teachers and mentors because they banged a 24-yr > old > > attractive blonde. For some, I actually silently applaud. > > > > > So for me the problem I have with the 'Sexy Sadie' file is not > about > > > whether it has been published, just that it does not 'scan' well. > > > > Thats not a universal problem, thats a problem you have with them. > > > > > In > > > fact many years ago I had the same feeling about Erik Von > Daniken's > > > books, and then I watched a documentary which took his claims > apart ... > > > > So you have a history of problems in this area. > > "very interesting..." :) > > > > > In the case of the allegations about MMYs sexuality it is not > that I > > > disbelieve all the claims made, > > > > Ok, a shift in positions? > > > > > just that I doubt MMY ever had actual > > > sexual intercourse with a woman (however close he might have > come). > > > > OK. So if he, naked, was about to have intercourse with a naked > > willing 24-yrold participant, but didn't -- is that a huge > distinction > > for you compared to if he did? > > > > > Actually, for the record, I suspect > > > > "I suspect" are key words. Pure opinion, no fact. Much less > persuasive > > than the SS files. > > > > > that most if not all the material > > > currently circulating about MMYs alleged sexuality has been put > about > > > solely to discredit MMY, > > > > haha. i smell a conspiracy theory. > > > > And your suspicions have little basis in the actual history of the > > genesis of the files. > > > > > simple as that, a rather ramshackle attempt > > > at cocking a snoot at him, rather than an orchestrated attack, > but > > > perhaps a mixture of both. > > > > Any other possblities? > > > > Perhaps to share information one found interesting? > > > > Perhaps to provide some material, which along wit h so much other > > material, experiences, knowledge, allows others to make up their > minds > > on things? > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! 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